Subject: The Mother & UG Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Read the text published in your blog. I thought you could have also used UG's description of his 'Calamity'/biological changes, or at least provided the link to UG website. However, the parallels/similarities of certain physical changes that both UG and the Mother underwent, and the 'words' they used to describe the change, especially what they both say about the 'body' ( it's so simple; the body knows etc) and about enlightenement (salvation is physical; enlightenment is biological' and so on) continues to surprise me and encourage me to suggest that this subject needs to be explored with all the seriousness it deserves.
Presently i'm reading Lyall Watsons: SUPRNATURE, BEYOND SUPERNATURE & THE ROMEO ERROR. would you be surprised when Watson calls enlightenment is biological (Enlightenment as a biological process-chapter 5-The romeo error(1974)) and in the other two books talks about the biological basis/roots of experiences, memory/mind and so on. best wishes, mukunda rao.
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Thanks for sending the link. With reference to Satprem's book I have discussed what happened to the Mother. I have used her own description of the bodily changes she underwent to discuss the 'biological mutation' that enlightenment traditions have probably tried to express yet not have been able to articulate fully. The Mother's assertion that 'salvation is physical' is something we need to consider seriously and reflect upon it. I think we need to revisit 'The mind of the cells' with a fresh mind.
I don't think Aju has read UG; maybe he should give it a try before passing comments. However, the more important question is: can we approach/re-examine the 'enlightenment tradition' from the multiple perspectives available to us today.
Finally, like politicians belonging to a party, the SAGES don't join hands and dance together saying we are all one, and so on; they just speak of what they have found, seen. It's our burden to try and understand them; but it's not necessary to integrate them all into a single narrative. Perhaps it's enough to be deeply interested in one and work out one's life. Each one according to his/her need! Thanks again. Will communicate when there's something... best wishes, mukunda rao. date 22-Jun-2007 22:48
[THE OTHER SIDE OF BELIEF: INTERPRETING U.G. KRISHNAMURTI
by Mukunda Rao Salvation Is Physical. chapter-20]
There are indeed striking parallels between Mother and UG krishnamurti.
ReplyDeleteFew quotes comparing UGs and Mother's views:
Here are a few comparison of quotes of UG and the Mother.
UG on Cause and Effect:
“It is thought that has invented the ideas of cause and effect. There may not be any such thing as a cause at all. Every event is an individual and independent event. We link up all these events and try to create a story of our lives”
The Mother on Cause and Effect:
(From: Mother’s Agenda, April 25 1961)
“The sense of connection has gone, the sense of cause and effect has gone - all that belongs to the world of space and time. ” … “But what is clear, completely clear, is the total absence of cause and effect and of goal, of intention - purpose. There is no … (Mother makes a horizontal motion) this kind of connection doesn’t exist; ”
U.G. on innate intelligence of the body:
“All that is necessary for the survival of this living organism is already there. The tremendous intelligence of the body is no match for all that we have gathered and acquired through our intellect.”
“The extraordinary intelligence of the biological organism is all that is necessary for good living, but we are all the time interfering with its natural operation through the medium of thought.”
Mother on innate intelligence of the body:
(From: Mother’s Agenda, October 17, 1957)
“But with the supramental manifestation, something new has taken place in the body: it feels it is its own master, autonomous, with its two feet solidly on the ground, as it were. This gives a physical impression of the whole being suddenly drawing itself up, with its head lifted high - ‘I am my own master.’”
“During the flu epidemic, for example, I spent every day in the midst of people who were germ carriers. And one day, I clearly felt that the body had decided not to catch this flu. It asserted its autonomy. You see, it was not a question of the higher Will deciding, no. It didn’t take place in the highest consciousness: the body itself decided. When you are way above in your consciousness, you see things, you know things; but in actual fact, once you descend again into matter, it is like water running through sand. In this respect, things have changed, the body has a DIRECT power, independent of any outer intervention. Even though it is barely visible, I consider this to be a very important result.”
I'm sure we can find more such instances. What are your views on this? How do you understand this phenomenon called UG?