Just want to add the documentary Ken Wilber recommended in his review of Deepak Chopras book.This is from the YouTube Poster: Nazis-the occult conspiracy is a documentary about how the Hitler and the Nazis made use of occultism to win the war, and to remind the … all Germans that they were the best humans on the planet, the master-race. There are better documentaries around, but this is a solid documentary. There are many rare pictures from Nazi-Germany to be seen here, and you get to learn more about the religous beliefs of nazi-leaders like: Hitler, Goebbles, GÃ?¶ring, Hess and Himmler. I can`t advice people enough to watch documentaries about Nazi-Germany, because they show how crazy and evil humans can be. Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy part 1 of 2 See here Part 2. Access: Public 3 Comments Print Send views (1,356) Tagged with: Discovery Channel, Occult Conspiracy, Runes, Atlantis, Aryan Race, Himalaya, Bhagavad Gita, Hitler, Goebbels, Himler, Hess, Rosenberg, Swastika, Wagner, Wholy Grail, Parcival print permalink
about 8 hours later ~C4Chaos said
hi Albert, thanks for the heads up on this. will check it out soon. i remember reading the book Beyond the Human Species which also mentioned the Nazi occult conspiracy. on the flip side, it tells the story of how Aurobindo and the Mother countered the dark side using their occult powers. i don't know what to make it of it though. it's interesting but how can we prove such things? you've probably read a lot about this topic so i'm interested to hear your *informed* opinion regarding the occult conspiracy, from an integral perspective of course :)thanks again. keep it flowing…~C print permalink
hi Albert, thanks for the heads up on this. will check it out soon. i remember reading the book Beyond the Human Species which also mentioned the Nazi occult conspiracy. on the flip side, it tells the story of how Aurobindo and the Mother countered the dark side using their occult powers. i don't know what to make it of it though. it's interesting but how can we prove such things? you've probably read a lot about this topic so i'm interested to hear your *informed* opinion regarding the occult conspiracy, from an integral perspective of course :)thanks again. keep it flowing…~C print permalink
about 10 hours later Albert said
Well, first I feel the damn thing in my bones and in my life. So reading about it offers some perspektives, options of understanding and especially the demanding and brutally pressing command to transform it finally. No cheap armchair soundbytes and couch potatoe statements are intended from me. its really important to come to an understanding. I had tough experiences and discussions my whole life regarding this theme. And probably will exceed time and space here.
Well, first I feel the damn thing in my bones and in my life. So reading about it offers some perspektives, options of understanding and especially the demanding and brutally pressing command to transform it finally. No cheap armchair soundbytes and couch potatoe statements are intended from me. its really important to come to an understanding. I had tough experiences and discussions my whole life regarding this theme. And probably will exceed time and space here.
First: I see no occult conspiracy. I did never believe in ANY Conspiracy Theories. Some points: Sri Aurobindo and the Mother certainly achived something. Do not know what. Just see that Winston Churchill achieved the most. Contradicting Gandhi in the point of military action. Even Neville Chamberlain was no simple wip or coward. >He was a clear thinking rational acting politician.
Ken Wilber once said the Churchill agressive fighting intention was natural. It was not! Churchill was a warrior in the heart. Thanks God! Nobody wanted to listen to him in 1938! Even very intelligent European politicians. The Nazis simply followed and galvanized a certain mythology. Drawing symbold from Germanic-teutonic Wotan Cult as much as from Tibetan Buddhism and Shamanism. The Wotan symbolism was described already 1936 by C. G. Jung in his famous essay. Basically the belly of the “German spiral” wasnt “blue” enough. But I am very, very careful with such simplifications.
There is an irrational drive in the German soul as Sri Aurobindo described. I posted something about this: here…. While Scandinavia, UK, Netherlands, Belgium are more rational motivated countries Germany has a profound connection to deep subjective realms. Many people, for example Thomas Mann knew this too. Ask American speakers who come to Germany: Ask Tom Peters, Tony Robbins, Andrew Cohen, Brian Tracy and 20 more….they all report similar experiences with German audiences. No special analysis in integral terms is needed. :)
The only integral activist I know who adresses this layer of collective identity explicitly is Don Beck. See the video of his presentation in NL 2006. I posted it- he asked the Dutch to stand up and sing together the Dutch National Anthem. They did it! What would happen when Don asks a German audience??????:)):)):):
So the whole occult thing crashes and ccan be sumarized (for me) in taking deep emotional and symbolic collective mythologies very, very serious. There will never be Integral POlitics if and as long this layer isnt recognized. In fact - as I am now Co Bureau Chief of Integral leadership Review for German speaking countries together with Wendelin Küpers - all this has massive consequences why leadership isnt strongly expressed in Germany. The fear of great visions is now blocking the Geman soul. I wrote about it in WIE Fall/Winter 2002 already. So the first step is simple. To say YES to collective emotions. It happened in German during Fifa World Cup 2006. Nothing occult is necessary. For all who are interested in subtle energies I recommend Excerpt G of Ken Wilbers Cosmos Trilogy. Razorharp discriminative intelligence is needed here. No wonder Ken never dealt directly with Occultism. Thats it for the moment. In his analysis of different popular authors (17 together) on spirituality in “Integral Spirituality” Ken indirectly adresses some of these questions. print permalink
about 10 hours later ~C4Chaos said
wow! thanks for sharing your views Albert. it's good to hear from someone who is much close in proximity to this issue. i'm still watching the documentary. chilling, informative, and it shows that people don't need God to do hideous things. any (badly translated) myths will do.
wow! thanks for sharing your views Albert. it's good to hear from someone who is much close in proximity to this issue. i'm still watching the documentary. chilling, informative, and it shows that people don't need God to do hideous things. any (badly translated) myths will do.
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