Etheric to Real-time: Wilber vs. Robert Bruce April 3rd, 2007 by elamb
In Ken Wilber’s view of subtle energies seem to parallel Robert Bruce’s model of subtle world.
Ken Wilber’s Model (according to Excerpt G):
Level of Mass-Energy
1. Gross Physical (gravitational, electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear)
2. Etheric, L-field 1 (L-1), or Biofield 1
3. Astral, L-field 2 (L-2), or Biofield 2
Robert Bruce’s model (Astral Dynamics):
Level of Mass-Energy
1. Physical
2. Etheric
2a. Real-Time Body
3. Astral
Unfortunately, Robert Bruce does not talk about stages of consciousness and only vaguely covers altered state of consciousness in Astral Dynamics. But his level of focus on feelings, senses, emotions and sights that are witnessed from his perspective provide a lay persons map of what they might see on the way to Astral projection true to the name ‘Astral Dynamics’.
Interestingly enough, Bruce talks about what he calls a “Real-Time body” that projects from the Etheric body into the “real-time zone”.
His description of the real-time zone is how others (Theosopy, Wilber, Rudolph Steiner, et al) call the etheric plane:
The real-time zone can best be thought of as a buffer zone or intermediary area dividing the physical universe from the astral dimension proper. It shares some properties of the physical universe (a direct and objective real-time reflection of reality) and some properties of the astral dimension (a fluid, nonphysical environment).
Bruce goes on to say:
The astral dimension does not overlay the physical universe as precisely as the real-time zone does, especially at higher levels…
Wilber’s hypothesis of subtle energies parallels what Bruce has deduced from his Astral projection. According to Wilber’s third hypothesis on subtle energies, increasing complexity of gross form is correlated with increasingly subtlety of energies. So it would make since that most objects on the physical only appear as far as the etheric or “real-time zone”. (Sri Aurobindo called it the subtle physical): By the gross physical is meant the earthly and bodily physical - as experienced by the outward sense-mind and senses. But that is not the whole of Matter. There is a subtle physical also with a subtler consciousness in it which can, for instance, go to a distance from the body and yet feel and be aware of things in a not merely mental or vital way….the subtle physical has a freedom, plasticity, intensity, power, colour, wide and manifold play (there are thousands of things there that are not here) of which, as yet, we have no possibility on earth.– Sri Aurobindo, Letters on Yoga, part 1, section v
In Ken Wilber’s view of subtle energies seem to parallel Robert Bruce’s model of subtle world.
Ken Wilber’s Model (according to Excerpt G):
Level of Mass-Energy
1. Gross Physical (gravitational, electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear)
2. Etheric, L-field 1 (L-1), or Biofield 1
3. Astral, L-field 2 (L-2), or Biofield 2
Robert Bruce’s model (Astral Dynamics):
Level of Mass-Energy
1. Physical
2. Etheric
2a. Real-Time Body
3. Astral
Unfortunately, Robert Bruce does not talk about stages of consciousness and only vaguely covers altered state of consciousness in Astral Dynamics. But his level of focus on feelings, senses, emotions and sights that are witnessed from his perspective provide a lay persons map of what they might see on the way to Astral projection true to the name ‘Astral Dynamics’.
Interestingly enough, Bruce talks about what he calls a “Real-Time body” that projects from the Etheric body into the “real-time zone”.
His description of the real-time zone is how others (Theosopy, Wilber, Rudolph Steiner, et al) call the etheric plane:
The real-time zone can best be thought of as a buffer zone or intermediary area dividing the physical universe from the astral dimension proper. It shares some properties of the physical universe (a direct and objective real-time reflection of reality) and some properties of the astral dimension (a fluid, nonphysical environment).
Bruce goes on to say:
The astral dimension does not overlay the physical universe as precisely as the real-time zone does, especially at higher levels…
Wilber’s hypothesis of subtle energies parallels what Bruce has deduced from his Astral projection. According to Wilber’s third hypothesis on subtle energies, increasing complexity of gross form is correlated with increasingly subtlety of energies. So it would make since that most objects on the physical only appear as far as the etheric or “real-time zone”. (Sri Aurobindo called it the subtle physical): By the gross physical is meant the earthly and bodily physical - as experienced by the outward sense-mind and senses. But that is not the whole of Matter. There is a subtle physical also with a subtler consciousness in it which can, for instance, go to a distance from the body and yet feel and be aware of things in a not merely mental or vital way….the subtle physical has a freedom, plasticity, intensity, power, colour, wide and manifold play (there are thousands of things there that are not here) of which, as yet, we have no possibility on earth.– Sri Aurobindo, Letters on Yoga, part 1, section v
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