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Saturday, August 8, 2009

Ideology is pretty much the farthest thing from Truth

Re: The Mother’s role in the 1971 War—by Kittu Reddy
by Tusar N. Mohapatra on Thu 06 Aug 2009 08:07 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
Savitri Era Party is committed to raise a band of young leaders and inculcate in them a brand of patriotism as envisioned by The Mother & Sri Aurobindo. [TNM] Reply

by Vikas on Thu 06 Aug 2009 10:25 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
"Patriotism as envisioned by The Mother & Sri Aurobindo" is good. Yoga and dedication to the Divine need not preclude Patriotism; it ought to intensify it. It would be well to remember Sri Aurobindo's message on 15th Aug 1947 Independance Day. India has a great role to play in the future of humanity. Reply

by Tusar N. Mohapatra on Thu 06 Aug 2009 11:04 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
Thanks for concurring. May August augment our areas of agreement. [TNM] Reply

by Tusar N. Mohapatra on Fri 07 Aug 2009 02:51 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
[Stark must he be and a kinsman to danger Who shares my kingdom and walks at my side. (Invitation)] Reply

by RY Deshpande on Fri 07 Aug 2009 08:22 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
But Vikas, we are simply harping on "India has a great role to play." What are we doing for it to happen? We have to have lines of action based on India's foundational principles. RYD Reply

by ned on Fri 07 Aug 2009 12:34 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
Tusar, do you really think it is wise to mix the integral yoga with politics, and that too, the kind of disgusting politics that we have in South Asia? The Mother forbade politics in the Ashram, as far as I know. It is one thing to go into politics

  • being personally inspired by Sri Aurobindo and the Mother,
  • setting up a secular party,
  • and keeping one's devotion to SA/M to oneself while expressing their vision in more secular terms [so as to not alienate atheists/agnostics/other religious groups] and
  • including people of all religious and non-religious communities in one's political party,

but entirely another to create a political party affiliated with SA/M or their yoga. You are treading on dangerous ground both with this Savitri Era Party and Savitri Era Religion stuff. I have always felt this way about these endeavours of yours and I am surprised that RYD and other scholars of SA/M have not criticized these things more forcefully on Mirror of Tomorrow.

Another pertinent point I remember is that the Mother actually said that of all human endeavours, science would be the first to bring itself in line with Truth, and that politics would actually be the last, corrupt and sick as it was!

Good luck to you in your political efforts, but I hope you realize you are stepping into very, very deep waters if you mix this sort of stuff with yoga. Politics is the realm of ideology and ideology (right-wing or left-wing) is pretty much the farthest thing from Truth. Reply

by Tusar N. Mohapatra on Fri 07 Aug 2009 03:27 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
Thanks for the sermon. However, I don’t find any reason why our views should converge given our difference in age, experience, education, religion, gender, nationality, life goals, etc. [TNM] Reply

by RY Deshpande on Fri 07 Aug 2009 08:12 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
I completely agree with what Ned is saying. The Mirror cannot be a platform to project Party ideals of whatever kind these be. I’ll request commentators to desist from such a temptation. There is no question of sermon also of any variety. We are discussing issues of different kinds generally from academic points of view, with academic bearings, and that should as well be our preferred line of presentation.

Having said so, I’ll add that the question of age, gender, religion, experience, education, nationality just doesn’t arise here. What is expected is a certain depth of understanding, the sense of ennobling dignity, poise, these desirably coupled with insights and perceptions.

“... RYD and other scholars of SA/M have not criticized these things more forcefully on Mirror of Tomorrow.” Is it necessary? We have our own tasks cut out, and each to each one’s liking. I’m looking at the entire thing from the point of view of social organization that should be conducive to the emergence of spiritual society based on Integral Spirituality. This will be perhaps quite apparent to everyone after going through dozens and dozens of posts on the Mirror. And it is in that endeavour I appeal for participation from those who are concerned about these matters. For the collective growth of society some of these desiderata will have to be kept in mind.

In India itself, as an example, the problems of social engineering are of a serious nature, and there are degradations of a number of types, for instance, corruption, delay in the justice system. With different parameters this is true all over the world. Without these being corrected, it will be chimerical to talk of Integral Spirituality. It’s here I welcome constructive ideas to come into play. ~ RYD Reply

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