Sri Aurobindo has no European parallel

 Collated by Tusar Nath Mohapatra

Why liberation? Why suffering? Why renounciation? Why existence at all?

Sri Aurobindo claims that yogis who continue renouncing after Samadhi have missed the point, after nirvana, return to the 'world' and help the next in line... Maybe he's right, or maybe not...What do you think?

https://x.com/CosmicSyne75337/status/1980913809653903811?t=APbE2qZZsLQL5isrum_enA&s=19

My verbal spillage vs Sri Aurobindo's words describing the same thoughts. Obviously nobody describes it like Sri Aurobindo.

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https://x.com/gasumeet/status/1980838867516248274?t=EZojLmFSGvdNreWMaUCOFg&s=19

i will not listen to his anything - since he is NOT qualified

nor is he a Vivekananda or Aurobindo - just a gimmick specialist, who keeps saying "hindu nationalist" sounding things, because that is the way the wind is blowing now.

Like an Arnab Goswamy of "hindu history"

sorry but they were legends in their time

as for this quack, he won't be taken seriously decades later - nor is he to be taken seriously now.

I can indeed listen to a contemporary voice but not someone who is so low grade & lacking in education so.

He is no Swami or Aurobindo

https://x.com/Polls26WB/status/1980702000582140159?t=sLPDjptvxUQIg8mI3egfRQ&s=19

//Saavarkar had produced scholarship on Hindu politics that wasn't produced by anyone//

Savarkar was a very normal modernist like Bismarck et al.

Aurobindo Ghosh has no European parallel in the political thought. If he is not utilized then it's lack of imagination of H leaders

It appears to me that you have only encountered his spiritual writings and not political commentary. You seem to be associating him with Pondicherry only.

He is much more radical in thought and more original than Savarkar.

A primer

surasa.net/aurobindo/on_n…

I was personally impressed by his own book on National Education. He mostly stresses that political independence will mean shit if the thought institutions remain subservient to European thought. He predicted Nehruvian nightmare in 1940s.

https://x.com/Dhruvphysics/status/1980235968126066714?t=SJLjBUp41-sK2wU5J2GLbA&s=19

Arya Samaj, ISKCON, fake akhadas, RSS, BJP designed to weaken Hindus and pull them from traditional scriptures.

The debate is open, present your arguments.

Exactly. This is what the British did by creating fake Akharas and appointing their own so-called “Shankaracharyas,” they weakened the authority and purity of the original Peeths. Today, people know the names of fake saints, but very few know the names of the true traditional Acharyas.

Yes, well said. Just like Vivekananda said “don’t just read the Bhagavad Gita, go play football,” did he ever tell Westerners not to read the Bible and play polo, or Muslims not to read the Quran and play cricket?

Absolutely true. The main agenda of these organisations is to disconnect Hindus from their roots and mislead them. They deliberately keep people away from Vedic study and scriptural learning, so that anyone can easily influence or deceive them once they’re detached from their own shastras.

Being in America has nothing to do with the core issue. The fact is that institutions like ISKCON, BAPS, and Arya Samaj succeed only because they cater to convenience and modern appeal, not because they preserve true Vedic dharma. True Hinduism comes from deep engagement with the shastras and traditional mathams not from packaged spirituality aimed at retention of youth abroad. Catering to comfort may keep numbers, but it does not safeguard the authenticity of our faith.

https://x.com/Bhairaviyogi/status/1980495087667933279?t=eEVKUsD4XqaKFT5RDKkjcA&s=19

This one is from Ramakrishna Mission, Christmas celebrations are a thing because Vivekananda was a Freemason and his entire philosophy was trying to make Hinduism compatible with Xtianity.

All this nonsense about Hinduism being an open source religion started with him.

https://x.com/kaliyuga_surfer/status/1676131386577797122?t=n78B9XqmnW2-_YMwIeyYSg&s=19

Vivekananda was a Freemason. 

Same freemasons who destroyed Bharat through British. 

Same Freemasons who replaced British with freemason Nehru

Dont know what's there to cherry-pick

https://x.com/bhagva_108/status/1978468247004647648?t=OiJUbLwwcYgNmJ9Dsim3AA&s=19

Vivekananda was Freemason, initiated into Anchor and Hope Lodge in Calcutta (1884) and raised to degree of Master Mason by (1884). I have Vivekananda's complete bibliography. The bibliography contains two sections: one is his speeches and the other is his letters to his friends

His letters seem more truthful to me.

What about speeches? 

People make big statements in speeches. In his speeches, he supports Indian traditions. He wants to establish India as a world leader based on what is written in the Upanishads and other religious scriptures.

But when you read his letters to his friend, you'll see that he's deeply impressed by the Western way of life. The honesty of Western people, the Western systems.

This is the duality in his words.

Because of this, India is the country with the greatest number of hypocrites. Vivekananda once said that it is better to be an atheist than a hypocrite.

Reform is possible only when you acknowledge evil. Indian leaders keep teaching the lessons of morality to the entire world.

https://x.com/Anshu31221005/status/1974144797708595279?t=alh6qUD5gIbNYleS5BY1rg&s=19

After in-depth verification using searches across "The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda" and related sources, I found no evidence of this quote or similar statement. Vivekananda was a Freemason himself (initiated in 1884), but his writings don't link Jews to Freemasonry's origins in Egypt or Israel. It may be a misattribution.

https://x.com/grok/status/1974355185284837734?t=IgtXyf4Akl5xHgfqYCJ-FQ&s=19

Today they'll cherrypick quotes of Vivekananda to criticize him, tomorrow they'll do the same to Aurobindo, Vallalaar, Siddhar Sivavaakiyar, Ramana Maharishi, Yogi Ramsuratkumar. Basically, this stems from "everybody else except my Guru is a charlatan" mindset. 

The exalted body of work of these great masters allows room for such twisted interpretations. All of this will be done without reading their works or realizing their glory or understanding them in their totality. I recognize this easily because this is the exact same MO used by Dstocks for misrepresenting Valluvar and Vallalaar.

Some like to play religious fan wars using tradition as a shield. Refuse to play this zero-sum game that's a Lose-Lose for all parties involved . Don't let spirituality be reduced to cheap fan wars on the internet.

Its okay if philosophical disagreements are stated respectfully. But some of this slander on Swamiji is just coming from prejudice and from a need to sound edgy on the internet. Every Guru, every master, has his function in the society, as we are one huge banyan tree. 

Even as we do infighting on which of us is the most authentic branch of the tree, the hunters see us all as the same. Hope we rise above such needless, petty infighting.

https://x.com/labstamil/status/1978453653699674516?t=eYluV9mRj9BnbxTQIG3Kgw&s=19

Our loyalty should be to Truth

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Not all. Every party has brainless followers who can't do their own research and independent thinking. 

I support BJP and PM Modi but am very clear that central govt mishandled the Ladakh issue and strongly condemned the cheap fake stories and character assassination of Sonum Wangchuk. 

Wrong is wrong even if BJP does it. Our loyalty should be to Truth and Bharat Mata, not any particular party or leader.

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1974753312827482433?t=J-iQv3W0ksqqiAbdnvd9lg&s=19

Gitanjali ma'am, your fight is justified. You are a very wise person and don't need my advise. Best wishes for the court case tomorrow. 

I just hope innocent Ladakhis don't let folks like Rajdeep Sardesai, Kapil Sibal hijack the Ladakhi agenda for their partisan political motives. 

These partisan elements are poisoning the minds of Ladakhis against the government using the bogey of Adani, Amabi, etc., which has caused this mistrust between Ladhakis and govt. More association with characters like Kapil Sibal will only increase that distrust.

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1974863178367717871?t=LLeJIS3gXI7-3h8bciClRg&s=19

Dear Ladakhi brothers and sisters,

It seems extreme leftist ideology is hijacking Ladakh movement. Ladakh is a very large area. It is possible to have limited amount of ecologically sensitive mining. 

Extreme stance is never good. Buddha's and Sri Krishna's middle path is what's needed. This extremist position is causing deep distrust amongst both parties. Start from a position of trust and sit down and discuss how to find a reasonable middle path harmoniously. The one that Buddha and Sri Krishna would suggest.

Saying this as a wellwisher - Ladakhis will lose support of neutral parties if you take extreme stance and it would cause you harm in the long run as it's not standing with Truth.

@Gitanjalijangmo

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1974868261159530696?t=y3fHorHn5lR2OEdvNpeeog&s=19

Dear @AmitShah @PMOIndia

  It is unfortunate that despite good intentions, the govt has totally mishandled the Ladakhi issue and went excessively hard on Sonum Wangchuck, held in high esteem by Ladakhis. This could have disastrous consequences for India in the long term, if we do not undo the damage asap. 

1. Release Sonum Wangchuck immediately. If necessary confine him to a house arrest without social media for certain period until tempers calm down but release him. 

2. Announce an enquiry into the shooting of the 4 Ladakhis by a retired SC justice. 

3. Have the Lt Gov issue an apology for mis-hanlding the situation. 

4. Change the Lt Gov with someone well respected by everyone including Ladakhis. 

5. Assure a specific time bound resolution of the Ladakhi demands and approach the whole negotiation from a point of trust and include Sonam Wangchuck in the negotiations. If you don't include one of their most popular leaders, who are you negotiating with? Is that even done in good faith?

The biggest issue right now is lack of trust and suspicion from either side. The bigger side, central govt, needs to show generosity given that Ladakhis are one of the most patriotic people who have spilled the most blood for India on a per capita basis than anyone else. If we cannot be generous to Ladakhis to whom we can be? 

The Lt Gov and babudom has  pushed one of the most patriotic group of Indians into a corner and are calling their much respected leader as anti national. A grave mistake. A sin. 

Some IT cell posters have made it worse by name calling Sonum Wangchuck without any hard evidence (often using fake news). Some of the IT cell posters were even doing ugly character assassination of his wife @GitanjaliAngmo, a gem of a person and a karma yogi. That MUST stop. We in India should never stopped so low. 

Sincerely,

  A humble concerned citizen from South India. 

PS: I am making similar pleas to Ladakhis to not listen to  left wing incitements.

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1975120326859350213?t=b96ao-_Q4ci9zraVnRqjLw&s=19

Ladakhis are the most patriotic lot. On a per capita basis Ladakhis have worked harder for our defence and spilled more blood than any other region of India. 

Govt should fire the babus that precipitate this crisis, stop character assassination of Sonum Wangchuk and @Gitanjalijangmo, release Sonum and do the necessary course correction at local level. 

When foreign funded Khalistani elements infiltrated and misguided farmers in farm law protests, govt used kid gloves. But shot down patriotic Ladakhis and arrested Sonum under NSA. Sonum never advocated violence from what I have noticed. 

Dear Ladakhis, there are ultra left elements that incite you and turn you against the govt. Watch out for them and report them to police. That will build confidence and trust. 

The biggest issue is each side views the other side with suspicion. Let's build trust. 

PM @narendramodi ji pls don't listen to babus or Lt. Gov. Talk to patriotic Ladhakis yourself and resolve this amicably with a generous heart. 

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1974684545929642011?t=HOY9Hs8-PGP79vmnuvgzjQ&s=19

The Mother & Sri Aurobindo are not to be narrowly identified with any party

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Would conclude this thread here, but want to say a word of caution lest people reduce Sri Aurobindo to be an ideological partisan. 

Sri Aurobindo and the Mother work for humanity at large and for India (because it is India's mission to be humanity's spiritual leader). They are not to be narrowly identified with any party or movement or organisation and their inspiration can be found acrosss many leaders especially during critical / challenging times for the nation. PM Indira Gandhi sought for and received Mother's clear guidance and Spiritual Force during 1971 war. Same is the case after 1962 debacle with China. Nehru had a change of heart after meeting the Mother at Sri Aurobindo ashram (after the war) but before he could correct some of his mistakes he passed away. 

Any of us who sincerely work for humanity and for India's swadharma (or the swadharma of any civilisational state) and aspires for help from a Higher Power, will get the Divine Mother's Force guide and support them in their endeavour. They can even be atheists. It does not matter. They do not even need to know of or recognise the Mother or Sri Aurobindo as embodiments of the divine. The most important thing is their inner state of mind, sincerity, aspiration and the work they undertake. 

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1973640466659942516?t=CY8xVkLXr7lgoywYYT3naw&s=19

Generally if you ask these trads about Apaurusheya they will say it is emanation of shabda brahman or as you said beyond human origin, but if you read rig veda you will see Rishis talking about mundane things like cows and horses. You will ask yourself why does knowledge of beyond talk about these things. If you read Sri Aurobindo finally true meaning of Apaurusheya becomes clear.

https://x.com/iamnibhu/status/1968667845480284443?t=KNtG8RBKxkMMQrAW4kZPyA&s=19

There is lack of sincerity in India in everything. Everything we see - corruption, ineptitude at work, low quality output, food adulteration, fraud, low trust culture, bureaucracy, trash everywhere, poor quality of service, meaningless busy work - they can all be traced to one thing - lack of sincerity. Even in spiritual pursuits, sincerity is lacking and people end up clinging to empty rituals and make no progress. 

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1968653174098767902?t=6uBTNwYT_Z1OXo7TRZvjSw&s=19

Hypocrisy at every level from individual...to society/ community. This is something i have seen amongst my western friends, they are so truthful at a personal level.

https://x.com/LifeDivine1008/status/1968655405728293031?t=rZ3NvLa-Ud5iWi8cNn8BWQ&s=19

Bro you ruined it with that last piece of Modi servility. Sincerity and Modi? He just had his 75th birthday. While he pushed the senior leaders of his own party into obscurity using the 75 year age-limit as a cut-off he is happily continuing as sole dictator with no successor or plans to step down. And this is just merely scratching the surface of this man's perfidy. Please do not use Mother Sri Aurobindo to edify any politician. They are all cut from the same cloth.

Modi's whole persona is a PR creation. I'm really disheartened by this attempt to misuse Sri Aurobindo & the Mother to glorify self-serving politicians. Just not done.

The whole dharma bandwagon has degenerated into a circus of self-seeking politicians. As of now its only utility is to keep at bay the greater evils that threaten to supplant them and are just waiting in the wings to pounce on the country if given the opportunity.

https://x.com/auroviryavaan/status/1968687736220528932?t=deVr79c74j6LI2xGRwZVQw&s=19

Sorry this upset you. I feel Modi is an instrument of the Mother. I understand you feel very differently about him. But it's a good point to not mix current gen politicians and the Masters. Point taken.

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1968719597600747532?t=Ru6ulhsDdatDzQTZGzgkhw&s=19

Fair argument. As said I will write a post on why I strongly disagree with Western indology and linguists. And that is agnostic of my admiration for Sri Aurobindo. I came to that conclusion well before I started reading Sri Aurobindo in depth.

https://x.com/Shiva_Uvacha/status/1967977593208230013?t=ahSa1Yj4Oln9bFkvT9mspg&s=19

While your advocacy for the Hindu cause can't be contested, creating an artifical category like HINOs appears anomalous. How would you explain dividing the Hindu society by such a caste like feature. Besides, is questioning the religious orientation of people in a democracy okay?

There can be many such descriptions but you are basically fighting for the acknowledged Hindu population in India (covered by the Hindu Code for instance). Thus dividing them under the rubric of some arbitrary attribution like HINO is patently a contradiction. It's also insulting. 

https://x.com/SavitriEra/status/1966094507394609526?t=_eunsShcF20fBmfm1dACGw&s=19

Just a clarification as occult practices might be understood negative as well:

Yes, both Sri Aurobindo and The Mother engaged with occult practices, but primarily as part of their broader spiritual and yogic pursuits, rather than in a sensational or malevolent sense. Their involvement focused on understanding hidden forces of nature, spiritual evolution, and integral yoga, integrating occult knowledge into a path toward divine realization.

Sri Aurobindo

Sri Aurobindo explored occultism as an extension of his integral yoga philosophy, viewing it as the knowledge and proper use of hidden natural forces, rather than mere magic or supernatural mechanisms. 

He discussed occult forces in his writings, such as The Life Divine, emphasizing their role in bringing deeper truths into human life and warning against misuse for personal power.

https://x.com/sangramdasiam/status/1965308753835925812?t=sS1nbeq0Yg6wdAiP260hkQ&s=19