Collated by Tusar Nath Mohapatra
IV. Historical Context of Intellectual Failure
The current debate is symptomatic of a deeper intellectual failure dating back to the colonial encounter. Early Hindu intellectuals (including Rammohan Roy, the Brahmo Samaj successors, Vivekananda, and Aurobindo) sought to articulate Hindu tradition in universalist terms. These reformists embraced the "grammar of colonial modernity" and attempted to build a synthesis between Indic thought and the new system of ideas. Nationalism was a double-edged sword; initially, it spurred intellectuals to conceptualize spiritual heritage universally. This reformist impulse triggered an orthodox reaction that opposed both missionaries and reformists, championing "everything Indian because it was Indian".
The orthodox group, such as the Calcutta Dharma Sabha, went as far as to defend sati. During the Independence era, Indian politics incentivized the demarcation of religious "communities" as they jockeyed for favor with colonial authorities, leading to an obsession over community boundaries (e.g., defining who is a "Hindu" versus a "Sikh").
Following the khilafat violence in the 1920s, the orthodox faction successfully marginalized the reformists by arguing that Hindu "unity" had to be preserved at all costs. The orthodox reaction, which emphasized symbolic unity over religious reform, was the "big winner" during this period. Tough questions regarding the composition of the community, the status of marginalized caste groups, and the need for a common minimum program were neglected due to this orthodox victory.
The current understanding of "Hinduism" emerged from this dialectic and reflects the orthodox perspective. This orthodox view portrays "Hinduism" as an organic unity of variegated traditions, castes, and ritual cultures under a single label in the name of "inclusivism". Consequently, tradition became self-justifying and integral to a "religion," rather than being viewed as a dynamic product of cultural and historical processes. "Hindutva" is largely seen as a vindication of this orthodox victory.
The author sympathizes with diaspora Hindus drawn to Hindutva-style identity assertion because it is a "downstream symptom" of the 19th and early 20th century failure of the Hindu elite to reformulate tradition consonant with modernity.
V. Proposed Intellectual Solutions and Initiatives
The author states that what is needed is a dedicated intellectual ecosystem where conversations can happen "free from the tired orthodoxies of the academic/activist left". The first step toward developing this ecosystem is the creation of a high-quality publication/content creation outfit focused on Indic thought in the diaspora (suggested model: Tablet Mag). The urgency for this project is increased by the current topicality of questions regarding Hindu identity and the diaspora's relationship to India, as well as the "recent anti-Indian turn in the culture". This is the "right time to start such a project," and the community needs to "strike while the iron is hot". [..]
https://x.com/theashramCH/status/1984817142068605009?t=a5QJ7XkN3depRItgtB8Ipg&s=19
Vishal's references for who did a good job of adapting Hinduism to modern life are interesting. One would assume that he thinks these are more akin to the "cultural Protestantism of America". They had/have their place.But there is a reason these are niche movements.
All are effectively stripped of deity worship. There's a reason Auroville is so dystopian; the "Mother" is now their deity (Aurobindo relegated to second fiddle). A philosophy only of the head will either turn the average person mad or make them seek out something for the heart also.
Even Swami Vivekananda eventually became a Kali Bhaktha after initially rejecting murthy worship.These things are hard wired into our DNA. I think active ritual worship is an antidote to neuroses and other mental malaise and absolutely is integral to daily life.
That Vishal thinks otherwise is fine, but his prescription should only extend to himself (very tellingly, his disparagement of how other Hindus worship is very close to the proselytizing attitudes of Christianity).You cannot claim to know better than EVERYONE who came before you.
Engaging with Hindu high philosophy requires no handholding and initiation by your parents. Simply pick up a book and read and see the path it takes you on. If you think ritual worship is irrelevant, you need not engage with it.
This discussion is more about an individual feeling marooned on their own rather than a valid thesis of what is wrong with modern Hinduism.Most people feel a sense of community just fine, despite being "kitchen Hindus".
The dark night of the soul is a rite of passage for all seekers. I hope Vishal finds his anchor.
https://x.com/shanteehee/status/1984845413149786608?t=JJjGEyXyA9Sj_ZmEr86PlA&s=19
I don't think Iskcon is what they mean. I have problems with Iskcon, but it's still too Hindu for what they mean. The Brahmo Samaj, Aurobindo, etc is what's being held up as egs. Centred on social reform/individual philosophy rather than worship/bhakthi.
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Yeah, I don't really like that. I don't fully agree with Aurobindo's teachings. He was a good philosopher and a patriot. But worship of him is strange to me.
https://x.com/shanteehee/status/1984869677789815103?t=6Wny4mzRxF9pSQiKIXcrDQ&s=19
I am a practicing #Hindu. A student and teacher of Vedas, Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita in the light of Sri Aurobindo! I also practice Vipassana! I have never come across expletives in Devabhasha Sanskrit, never come across hatred and intolerance in these texts! Therefore I fail to understand why all Ids on X like sanatani, deshbhakt etc use such a foul language and display such intolerance. Let us learn to integrate the best of the east and the west, combine all partisanal ‘isms’ like leftist, liberal, right-wing etc into a meta grand theory of the evolution of human consciousness - and live the true Hinduism - the true Sanatan or the Eternal Dharma!!
@ARanganathan72 @ArnabGoswami_rt @AmitShah @narendramodi
https://x.com/GitanjaliAngmo/status/1984886014389993718?t=51MAsdRoxqQENPbqTmqrXg&s=19
Read the commentaries on Veda by Sri Aurobindo. Indra is actually the god of the mental faculties/ god of mental plane of existence...
https://x.com/archieposts/status/1984960327872880944?t=D2ZeYMZ1bZ7k7izo4zd8Sw&s=19
Check out Letters on Yoga by Aurobindo. He explains this in detail and means it quite literally.
Carl Jung explains the same ideas without the yogic jargon, but he's not as detailed as Aurobindo. In the history of yoga & seeking, Aurobindo is said to be the only one to explain the experiences, processes, the mystical aspects on the path (while travelling) in such detail.
https://x.com/seenandhini/status/1984977153562493325?t=o29IgMOVhRjB2VMFONho-Q&s=19
...I see as a small-minded fixation on what Aurobindo and Vivekananda called the "Hinduism of the kitchen."
This is such a false claim. Just because something does not fit into your narrow definition of what Hinduism should be does not automatically make it "Hinduism of the kitchen". Please do not misuse and weaponize Sri Aurobindo and Vivekananda against the very tradition that gave rise to them. Sri Ramakrishna, Vivekananda's guru, was a thorough going traditionalist. Did Vivekananda denounce him for practicing Hinduism of the kitchen? He did the exact opposite.
https://x.com/auroviryavaan/status/1984979638586675409?t=77MXobO2atkE5iGEU_UAmA&s=19
There is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting together with a group who reads Aurobindo, Vivekananda, etc. It's all there for anyone from anywhere in the world to partake in. Why should "FOBS", as he disparagingly calls them, let go of what works for them and come around to his style of religiosity/spirituality just because he personally finds the former cringey/irrelevant? See if you're able to entice a sizeable number of 2nd gen Americans with these teachings & whether the problem really is that you were failed by 1st gen immigrants.
https://x.com/shanteehee/status/1985020653297336503?t=VQNOFl9DJf1Ro2F0f_loog&s=19
I think you have identified something very important.
People need tools they can actually use to achieve the heightened states described by Sri Aurobindo and Swami Vivekananda.
That is sādhana or regular cleansing practice for the mind.
Without which one can never directly experience what is being described in the texts. In fact the Upanishads recommend it as a crucial part of self study.
https://x.com/SnehaRao994/status/1985111059762409560?t=-ZrnienXRtZt5c0LbBOvNQ&s=19
Book on Emotional Intelligence was plagiarised from Shri Aurobindo’s supramental yoga - a new pathway to mukti based on his vision. Shri Aurobindo was a visionary of 19 th century.
https://x.com/Sakshi59603127/status/1985111258694307976?t=n77mliGQjH6zG01kE3J9Xw&s=19
You don't have to...
But you don't get to put on a superior air and dismiss much of H-practice and claim that FOBs and "mainlanders" should learn from you about "real Hinduism" (by reading Aurobindo, Vivekananda and attending some RK Mutt lectures)
https://x.com/shrikanth_krish/status/1985112902316245108?t=-79BwVn5oLONspgch5TXVA&s=19
Okay, for a long time, I've been trying to figure out what exactly Vishal and his band of merry men (idk why it's all only men) even want, and this kinda lays it out - they want to do Raja Ram Mohun Roy style "universalist" stuff. The examples he cites - Rajaram Mohan Roy, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Vivekananda - operated in a very specific context -
Having a lot of enlightened Gora friends, and trying to have Hinduism appeal to them.
I understand that 2nd gen indians are possibly in that type of context a lot, and hence this is appealing to them.
But none of this is embodied. It has no appeal to someone who already believes, and it doesn't give you much to do in your everyday life.
It definitely doesn't help get more American adherents to Hinduism. If anything, it is a gateway for the Hindu who takes this Universalist idea of Hinduism to take Christ as their lord and savior.
I mean, like look at Sri Aurobindo's legacy - Auroville is mostly a monument to The Mother, and unless you went to an Aurobindo School, I'm not sure any Hindu can even tell you what the core beliefs are, or point to any special way the philosophy impacts daily life, if at all it does. Contrast with Isha Yoga - they celebrate Shivratri in a big way and so we know what they stand for.
Kalki Koechlin was raised in Auroville..... she's a second-gen Hindu in India... does she even talk about her beliefs or philosophy? Johnny Lever has no compuctions talking about how his faith helps his acting, but Kalki at best talks about how her upbringing made her "tolerant" and focused on sustainability.
And that's the limitation with these type of frameworks - they don't transmit to the next generation. I'm not even sure Brahmo Samaj has that many adherents, but Durga Puja is alive and well in distant corners of the world. Arya Samaj had a whole missionary movement going on, and has the DAV schools, but the Nirgun Dhara has very real limitations. Do people even follow Kabir today, or even know him if they haven't studied his dohas in Hindi class?
Even protestants don't like the bleak protestant aesthetic, which is why the tradcath movement is growing. It's silly to adopt that as being "American" somehow, especially since the growing demographic of Latin-Americans and Asians-Americans in America are overwhelmingly catholic.
Even the Mormons have their prophets and their temples and their journaling and their momfluencer posting - no one wants to just read texts and not have anything embodied with religion.
Plus, nahin degi bro.... the Americans raised in Christian settings won't accept Hinduism no matter how universalist you make it, and if anything, they'll consider it weak that you are watering down a matter of your faith.
The thing I've heard multiple ISKCON devotees say, is that they joined the temple after seeing their parades, and they joined at great personal cost. That's what makes you appealing to people - especially Americans - unapologetically going through your life with faith. Remember, their only idea of the faith comes from how you embody it. Whatever you demonstrate you value will be what they consider to be of value.
Many practicing christians around me all talk about the one time they went to a temple, and felt an overwhelming calm, and how it made so much sense to ask each God for a different thing. Or they remember the modaks they got for Ganesh Chaturti from a Hindu friend. Or they remember Dandiya. Or a story they heard at a Yoga class. These are embodied experiences and they are what leave an impression.
So if you're trying to come up with something that's not embodied, that's the first failure mode. The real question for me is WHY do you think this will work, and what's even wrong with the existing framework?
https://x.com/lilastories/status/1985030864972231126?t=bZT9uDGb1ZWrngvj3tB_fg&s=19
I think it's wrong to club Vivekananda with the other two. At its heart, the Ramakrishna-vivekananda is a classical bhakti movement (Ramakrisha was after all a simple Kali bhakt, Her child) complemented by hindu philosophy.
Vivekanada's religious ideas are the traditional karma and gnana yoga which complements the bhakti marga of his guru. his social and political ideas were rightly about dragging hinduism into modernity and competing with the Abrahamics. He was vehemently against the evils of casteism, for example. Or the suppression of women in Hindu society.
https://x.com/Puyangan5/status/1985059479810191764?t=c93HEv5SMABQWiX7KCbJfw&s=19
Yes this is true. His was a very muscular form of Hinduism rooted in traditional ideas. Unlike the charlatans that were the likes of Raja Ram Mohan Roy or Aurobindo
https://x.com/SudsG5/status/1985148672347369669?t=_8vUDIlB5Cr7DzXrVvqPiA&s=19
Reading about the pathways that led to Pakistan.
Lokmanya Tilak made a huge blunder with the Lucknow Pact. This is ofc a retrospective analysis but Aurobindo contends the same. Malaviya was disappointed but did not take up the mantle because of Tilak's grandiose image.
https://x.com/apratim1998/status/1985194660403560911?t=Gg8oX9U6A3y_c0Stm3GAGg&s=19