Sunday, June 13, 2010

Why are you always searching for filth

From Jitendra Sharma aurofrance@gmail.com to "Tusar N. Mohapatra" tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 13 June 2010 10:06 subject Answer to Mr. N. Nandhivarman
Dear Mr. N. Nandhivarman,
               Since many years, you have been working tirelessly and zealously to prove to masses that everything is wrong with Sri Aurobindo Ashram and its Trustees.  An individual and an Institution should be judged by best qualities and highest achievements. Has the Ashram achieved nothing good? Are the Trustees devoid of all good qualities? Why are you always searching for filth and the worst qualities in others? Are you Perfect? Do you live in the illusion that all Ashram devotees are hypocrites and useless fellows?
You have no respect even for Sri Aurobindo and the Mother.  Are you aware of the spiritual consequences of your such Karmas? Prof. Jitendra Sharma

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Saturday, June 12, 2010

Peter Heehs presents his characters and facts with restraint

from cosmic human cosmichuman007@gmail.com to tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 12 June 2010 14:47 subject Review on The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by retired Judge David Annoussamy
Dear Mr. Tusar Mohapatra,
You and your readers would find this of particular interest in the context of the court case slapped on Mr. Peter Heehs in Orissa by Mr. Sraddhalu Ranade - under the guise and name of Gitanjali JB - and supported by a handful of the usual complainers and "Auro Thought Police"-men such as Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. R.Y. Deshpande, Mr. Raman Reddy, Mr. Kittu Reddy, Mr. Ranganath & Co. who are willing to use any unscrupulous means to get rid of Mr. Peter Heehs and others who do not think or act in accordance to their canons.
The fact that Mr. David Annoussamy is a retired judge and goes out of his way to appreciate and recommend Mr. Peter Heehs' book goes a long way to show the true intentions and colors of Mr. Peter Heehs' critics and exposes their ploy to harass, even legally, anybody who thinks and acts differently by making what are obviously frivolous and baseless charges. In sincerity.
(From the May 2010 issue of Le Trait-d'union. The original French text follows.)
What does the name “Sri Aurobindo” mean to the people of Pondicherry?
For many it is simply the name of a street (which has the respectful “Sri” cut off). A significant minority knows more than this, their conception of him rising from the philosopher to the yogi, and for some going so far as to regard him as almost divine, the object of a devotion inspiring pilgrims to go and bow down at his tomb in the Ashram. In fact the Ashram ranks as one of India’s favorite places of pilgrimage, and people come by the busload from the four corners of India while making the rounds of the sacred places in the region. In the town, people are often disturbed by this influx of “outsiders.”
April 4 is the centenary of the coming of this sage to Pondicherry. Here he remained until the end of his earthly life on December 5, 1950.
Those who would like to have a more precise knowledge of this extraordinary being ought to read the book The Lives of Sri Aurobindo, which was published recently by Columbia University Press, New York. It can be ordered through the Internet and is delivered quickly. […] To the people of the city, the long concluding part of Aurobindo’s life is the best known, but they will have much to learn if they read this fast-paced and interesting book.
Peter Heehs shows himself to be a very serious historian who bases his conclusions on documents that are carefully cited in the endnotes. A bibliography completes the book, which is far indeed from being a hagiography.  We are surprised to learn that there will be no Indian edition, and that this work is the subject matter of several court cases. It is hard to believe this. What is the source of these attacks? Devotees concerned that the image that they had constructed of their idol has been shaken? Relatives of the persons spoken of in this work? My mind overflows with conjectures. Peter Heehs presents his characters and facts with restraint. He speaks for example about Sri Aurobindo’s few lady acquaintances in a neutral fashion and with discretion. Those who were hostile to Aurobindo and wronged him are not made the subjects of pejorative comments attempting to discredit them; on the contrary the author attempts to find the reasons why they opposed Aurobindo.  The author’s objectivity becomes clear as we read the book. And yet we are informed that this book has sparked wild reactions in India.
The author has given us a model biography, which is accessible to the general public. For this he deserves our thanks. David Annoussamy

Friday, June 11, 2010

Sri Aurobindo's work desperately needs free critical inquiry and research

From drraghu@cs.com to "tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com"tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 11 June 2010 06:28 subject re: Posting Request on Savitri Era Open Forum
Dear Mr. Mohapatra,
I congratulate you on your open forum (no mean achievement!) and would like to request that you post the following. Thank you.
Dr. Raghu

On The Dire Need To Rescue Aurobindo From The Ashramites and Aurovillains!

Aurobindo and his works are not and ought not to be the sole property of any particular group, ashram, or community. His legacy is for humanity. I look forward to the day when the Aurobindo Archives would be part of some library at a university and accessible to all who are interested in examining his manuscripts and other documents without pressure, or supervision, or censorship, from the "Auro Thought Police"! There needs to be a concerted effort in
India to make this happen in the near future. It would also be great if all the Aurobindo Archives manuscripts and documents go online for either a free or charged access.

What Aurobindo's work desperately needs is free critical inquiry and research. This applies not only to his claims on the outer world, but also the "inner world" of mind or consciousness. We need bold and creative researchers with intellectual integrity who will look at the sign posts in Aurobindo's works and explore the terrains they point to with a clear, sharp, and critical eye instead of turning those sign posts into Totem Poles to be worshipped and offered "poojas"!

We need a new breed of explorers who will use Aurobindo's "maps of consciousness" to actually start on their own journeys of exploration instead of making a religious fetish of those maps and waving lights and incense to them! Aurobindo's pioneering work on human consciousness development must serve as a launch pad to undertake one's own voyages, and not a frozen-in-time holy scripture to be used as a soporific or instrument of hypnosis or self-hypnosis.

As Nietzsche so eloquently put it, one repays one's teacher poorly if one remains merely a pupil. That is the spirit with which Aurobindo must be approached.

Above all, we must be prepared, in the spirit of "Kill-the-Buddha-if-you-see-him" approach characteristic of some schools of Zen, to "Kill Aurobindo" so that he doesn't weigh like a dead tradition on our minds and stifle our own initiative, inquiry, and realization.

drraghu has left a new comment on your post "Sri Aurobindo never asked for assistance of miracl...":
First, the legitimacy of an inquiry into the veracity or plausibility of a claim is not restricted or confined to claims published by the claimant. If we have reliable reports that Aurobindo made a claim in conversation with his disciples or devotees, we are entitled to inquire into the veracity or palusibility of his claims. […] Posted by drraghu to Savitri Era Open Forum at 5:27 AM, June 11, 2010

drraghu has left a new comment on your post "Sri Aurobindo draws close attention to the transit...": 
"Posthuman Destinies"????
This is another "Aurobindonian" delusion!
We are not even fully human! How many of us can truly claim that we have realized even our human potential in the way of, let's say, the Confucian Analects? Posted by drraghu to Savitri Era Political Action at
5:28 AM, June 10, 2010

drraghu has left a new comment on your post "Dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousn...": 
I must hasten to clarify that I was using "Pisachic" and "Asuric" in the sense pertaining to psychological types or types of character and NOT in the sense of actually existing supernatural beings. They are spooky, but interesting, creations of the fertile Indian religious imagination which often, because of that fertility, fails to distinguish between its products and reality! Posted by drraghu to Savitri Era Open Forum at 6:41 AM, June 10, 2010

drraghu has left a new comment on your post "Dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousn...": 
D. Subbramaniam's rant discloses that he is not interested in any issues of evidence concerning Aurobindo's claims, but rather treats those claims in just the way the Christian and Islamic fundamentalists treat the claims in their so-called "holy scriptures". These claims, even if they contradict science and common-sense, are treated as self-evident and infallible. [...] Posted by drraghu to Savitri Era Open Forum at 6:50 AM, June 08, 2010

drraghu has left a new comment on your post "Dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousn...": 
Anyone with commonsense and basic critical thinking skills is entitled to question any claims made by anyone including God! Who are you and what gives you the authority to pontificate on who is entitled and who is not entitled to question claims on "yogic force"?
You beg the question of the existence of this force. What is the evidence for it? Don't arrogantly assume that it exists and then equally arrograntly scoff at people who question its existence if you have nothing to contribute to the inquiry (Vichara) here! […] Posted by drraghu to Savitri Era Open Forum at
7:04 AM, June 08, 2010

drraghu has left a new comment on your post "She cooked people from the inside": 
A course in critcial thinking is imperative for Alok Pandey & Co. They think that an argument can be refuted merely by asserting the contrary conclusion, making claims unsupported by good evidence, and launching ad hominem or personal attacks on the advocate of an argument. [...] Posted by drraghu to Aurora Mirabilis at 2:24 PM, June 01, 2010

Thursday, June 10, 2010

Sri Aurobindo never asked for assistance of miracle merchants and loud-mouthed “devotees”

From D. Subbramaniam dsubbu.cmd@gmail.com to "Tusar N. Mohapatra" tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 10 June 2010 18:56 subject Re: The Battle of the Deluded Doctors
Dear Mr. Tusar Mohapatra,
Dr. Raghu is completely missing the point of my observations and comments that I posted on the SEOF on 7th June ‘10.

The point that I was making was that how the heck is Dr. Raghu or anyone for that matter in a position to judge, assess or measure and therefore comment or opine on Sri Aurobindo’s or anybody’s personal experiences if one isn’t in a position to share or comprehend the same personal experiences that have been lived, observed and described?

Thus how can Dr. Raghu, Dr. Truth, Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande or anyone for that matter talk about Yogic Forces, consciousness, the supramental forces, etc., that Sri Aurobindo mentions if one doesn’t even know what these really and exactly mean? I most certainly do not claim to know what these are and therefore choose not to comment on subjects that I am not familiar or competent with. 
Equally I think that it would be reasonable if I were to expect that Dr. Raghu who is equally in no position to comment on Sri Aurobindo's experiences to wisely refrain from judging, assessing, measuring, commenting and opining on whether Sri Aurobindo used Yogic Forces or not and whether they were effective or not.

Dr. Raghu of course may or may not believe what Sri Aurobindo has to say, but the discussion simply ends there. His attempt to prove Sri Aurobindo wrong on such personal and subjective matters only discloses the fallacy of Dr. Raghu’s so-called critical thinking process. 
Dr. Raghu also appears to ignore the fact that Sri Aurobindo did not go around to the various medical associations or societies announcing and recommending the use of Yogic Forces to cure physical ailments or that such practices be taught in medical institutions. Nor did Sri Aurobindo claim in any of his publications, for example pertaining to world history, that he used Yogic Forces to shape and influence the world’s events. 

If Sri Aurobindo chose to try some personal experiments of metaphysical nature and shared some of his personal experiences thereafter, these can only be treated as personal comments or observations, which are of significance to Sri Aurobindo and those who are interested in his work and they do not really concern anybody else. 
It is completely another matter if miracle merchants and loud-mouthed “devotees” such as Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande and the likes derive satisfaction and self-glorification by drum-beating and proclaiming Sri Aurobindo’s achievements and greatness. Sri Aurobindo of course never asked for such assistance and his greatness or achievements do not depend on such individuals or their activities.

Moreover, if people like Dr. Raghu, Dr. Truth and Dr. Nandhivarman feel the urge to go out of their way and cross the limits of reason, critical thinking as well as decency and therefore choose to comment on subjective and personal matters such as Sri Aurobindo’s personal experiences, it is people like Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande and other die-hard “devotees” that are to blame; because it is their exaggerated actions, miracle-mongering and such tamasha as well as the propaganda of Sri Aurobindo’s God-like image that they insist to project and protect that inevitably and justifiably triggers such opposing reactions from other quarters. 
And it is in this very context that I believe and urged that as none of us are entitled to talk about Sri Aurobindo’s personal experiences and observations, we would all be wiser if we would just shut up and mind our business rather than delude ourselves of being in a position to talk about such matters. Best Regards, D. Subbramaniam @ Subbu

Monday, June 7, 2010

Dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousness or yogic cures

From D. Subbramaniam dsubbu.cmd@gmail.com to tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 7 June 2010 14:59  subject The Battle of the Deluded Doctors
Dear Mr. Tusar Mohapatra, 
Ever since I first commented on an attempt that was made by some people to give some importance to Mr. Nandhivarman's book The Failed Prophet, I have been silently following this discussion across several internet fora and have been witnessing since then the sad and pitiable state of affairs brought about by the group of what one may call the Deluded Doctors and their entourage from both and opposite camps as they try to battle it out in the public domain. 
For, who are these Doctors and how are they entitled to talk about Sri Aurobindo's Yogic Force or his experience of it? Do they even have the slightest inkling of the meaning of Yogic Force let alone experience it? 

Dr. Truth, Dr. Raghu and Dr.(?) Nandhivarman might very well be steeped in ignorance and blinded by their materialism and atheism. While they may try to cast aspersions or try to belittle Sri Aurobindo and his work, it is more than evident that they speak more out of envy or self-adulation because deep within they may well be aware that they are incapable of accomplishing even 1% (and this is being generous) of what Sri Aurobindo accomplished in the field of freedom fighting and nation building, literature, world thought and philosophy, etc... the list can go on. 

But the fact that they and maybe many others around the world do not consider Sri Aurobindo worthy of consideration is of no significance to those who find that Sri Aurobindo has something of extreme value to offer to the world and human civilization. There is room for all kinds of people in this world and that should not bother any of us. 
But what is a botheration for the larger community of followers of Sri Aurobindo's Yoga and path is the apparent appropriation of Sri Aurobindo's philosophy and ideas by what appears to be a handful of so-called devotees, and scholars who take equal pride in being called or considered "Doctors" or Scholars mostly from within the Sri Aurobindo Ashram establishment, who behave as though they are the only enlightened ones and the only ones who are entitled to talk about or interpret Sri Aurobindo, his life, work, philosophy, etc. 

For instance, are Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande and their entourage by any measure wiser or more enlightened when it comes to talking about Yogic Forces or Sri Aurobindo's spiritual work? With which authority or from which high pulpit can they pretend to condescendingly agree to engage in dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousness or yogic cures? Moreover, have they become the self-appointed custodians of Sri Aurobindo and his work and do they run what they call the "supramental clinic"? 
That Doctors such as Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande and their entourage firstly pay any attention to people such as Dr. Raghu and secondly believe that they are the only and true custodians and protectors of Sri Aurobindo reveals that they are really deluded souls whose actions go a long way from serving any good to Sri Aurobindo, his cause, his work and the people who seriously wish to follow his Yoga and path. 

I would presume that those with the slightest inkling of the workings of yogic and supramental forces would not be wasting their time and dabbling with such matters, particularly on public fora. They certainly wouldn't be wearing their devotion on their sleeves and wouldn't entertain slogan-shouting matches. Moreover, they would mind their business and wouldn't be accusing the Sri Aurobindo Ashram establishment of a "nonsensical silence" when it chooses to ignore such trivial non-issues and rubbish.  
It therefore appears that all these doctors, from both sides, instead of refraining from talking or dealing with things (such as Yogic Forces, consciousness or Sri Aurobindo's experinece with these matters) that they know very little of, have fallen prey to their own political or personal aspirations which they need to demonstrate and publicize for their own good, and in the process they ignore the simple fact that their silence would have been their strongest advocate.  

But then of course comes the question of how would they be able draw attention to themselves on the one hand and on the other hand draw their guns and target their criticism on the management of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram establishment if they would obey a wise silence? 
This is clearly a dilemma that they appear to be unable to resolve as they prefer to live in the delusional world of pretending to fight their principled battles Don Quixote style either against or on behalf of Sri Aurobindo and his followers, while evidently and actually they are all merely trying to fulfill their own personal motives. Best Regards, D. Subbramaniam @ Subbu

Saturday, June 5, 2010

Sri Aurobindo’s Opposition: Why the Indian establishment resisted him

   
 
 
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Thursday, March 21, 2002


Aurobindo’s Opposition

Why the Indian establishment resisted him
MANGESH V. NADKARNI
Sri Aurobindo, the world-renowned yogi, poet, philosopher, patriot and lover of humanity, devoted most of his life to the quest of the Supermind, which, he thought, was the only power that could bring perfection to human life on earth.
The Indian intelligentsia of the last half a century had many problems with Sri Aurobindo because he often raised inconvenient questions and forced them to review the intellectual paradigms by which they lived and so they conspired to marginalise him.
Sri Aurobindo was not a religious leader; he was a great spiritual figure, probably the greatest in human history, who discovered the truth of the Supramental consciousness, of which no religion had any idea, and who developed a yoga for those who had an inner call for it to grow into it. The international city of Auroville as well as Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry are the two laboratories started by him and his collaborator, the Mother, for his experiment of ushering in a new man, a united new world and a spiritual civilisation.
Our intelligentsia proudly quotes Darwin, Freud and Karl Marx because these have been the three thinkers who have influenced our age the most. Sri Aurobindo dealt mainly with the same issues as these three thinkers and in the light of his writings we are able to appreciate them better because he presents the complete truth these thinkers distorted in their own ways.
The fact that Sri Aurobindo did not receive a favourable reception in India intellectual circles during the last half a century has been very unfortunate but not very surprising, because he was in his views and in his vision so radical and so much ahead of his times, that he effectively alienated four of the strongest intellectual establishments in the country, namely, the traditional Hindu religious establishment, the Gandhian establishment, the politically non-committed but eurocentric university intellectuals who are the products of Macaulay’s educational system, and also the leftist, communist/socialist establishment.
The Hindu religious establishment did not take kindly to Sri Aurobindo because he emphatically denied world-negation as the central thrust of Indian culture. Many of our countrymen still take great pride in the Shankarite and Buddhist legacy of regarding the world as a delusion, and therefore as of no value. His insistence on worldly progress being a quintessential part of the Indian spiritual tradition alienated Sri Aurobindo from the Hindu establishment, strangely enough. The Gandhian establishment was not entirely happy with Sri Aurobindo because of his insistence that India must cultivate the kshatriya spirit, not merely Bhakti and Jnana.
The reason why the academic establishment in India was opposed to Sri Aurobindo is that he rejected the colonial-missionary model of history, which regarded the Aryan invasion theory as its crown-jewel. Sri Aurobindo was probably the first to issue a warning against the invasion theory in his book On the Vedas, written nearly 80 years ago. Nor was Sri Aurobindo an uncritical admirer of the Western liberal-humanistic tradition.
The reasons for the neglect Sri Aurobindo suffered among leftist intelligentsia in India was that he was cold to the promises of communists and the dreams of socialists, and because of his strong spiritual orientation. But it must be pointed out that Sri Aurobindo was not opposed to communist ideology per se as can be seen from the following statements of his:
‘‘If communism ever re-establishes itself successfully upon earth, it must be on a foundation of soul’s brotherhood and the death of egoism. A forced association and a mechanical comradeship would end in a world-wide fiasco.’’
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
   
   
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