Saturday, October 23, 2010

Lies & lipstick

from dr raghu to tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 23 October 2010 13:25 subject re: posting
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Heehs’ Appreciation of Aurobindo!
Contrary to the grotesque lie promoted by some individuals on this forum in the cowardly guise of anonymous postings, Heehs’ book does not have as its objective the debunking or denigration of Aurobindo or his achievements. The following small sample of Heehs’ comments in his book should bear testimony to the truth and against the grotesque lies of those with “anonymous” pedigree: […]

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "She cooked people from the inside": 
It's not one "supposed fact". It is the well-documented fact of many infirmities which, naturally, set in with Aurobindo's old age.
But if you claim that all crows are invariably black, does the fact of the discovery of three white crows at least challenge your statement? One would hope that you would agree to this commonplace point of logic, but perhaps it is a vain hope! Posted by Anonymous to Aurora Mirabilis at 2:45 PM, October 23, 2010

Sunil has left a new comment on your post "Yes the tampering of the photographs is being done...": 
What i know is they were putting nail polish on the Mother's feet and giving her some make up lipstick etc. I have no real knowledge or access to these photos so can't comment much. You should ask Chandrakant he is the one looking after the photo section and doing this kind of things as was explained to me. Though the person in charge of Copyright is Manoj Das Gupta. Sunil S R Posted by Sunil to Savitri Era Open Forum at 12:09 PM, October 23, 2010

The Mother was equally forthright on Pakistan When Satprem tells her Mother it is obvious that India is the symbol of the New World in formation so India ...

8 comments:

  1. Dr Raghu actually believes Sri Aurobindo succumbed to disease, kidney failure. If this is the impression he gathers from the book then it is totally wrong. Sri Aurobindo had complete control and mastery. Dr Raghu is only showing his ignorance by making such statements. He is not even a disciple.

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  2. Anonymous said...

    "He is not even a disciple."

    I just don't get it. Isn't it a little presemptious to try to determine who is a disciple and who is not one? How does one's belief on how Sri Aurobindo departed determine one's admiration for him or one's disciple-hood??? Isn't it conceivable that one's admiration for Sri Aurbindo might be increased knowing that he went through the suffering that most ordinary humans experience?

    This is the major problem with the Anti-Heehs camp. They want to enclose Sri Aurobindo in a glass box and want to determine how everyone should view or understand him. They want only one official and codifired line of thought or interpretation. All else is taboo.

    It is understandable that the anti-Heehs camp has got rattled by Heehs' smashing of this sacred glass box that was beginning to crystalize and fossilize around Sri Aurobindo, but this only goes to prove that the timeliness of Heehs' intervention could not have been better.

    Sri Aurobindo evidently is larger than any of the boxes or conceptions that any of the anti-Heehs camp can conjure and their attempts are bound to fail, as is clearly visible even this time around.

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  3. "They want to enclose Sri Aurobindo in a glass box and want to determine how everyone should view or understand him. They want only one official and codifired line of thought or interpretation. All else is taboo."

    That actually describes Heehs supporters. Just substitute Heehs for Sri Aurobindo.

    "Sri Aurobindo evidently is larger than any of the boxes or conceptions that any of the anti-Heehs camp can conjure and their attempts are bound to fail, as is clearly visible even this time around. "

    I guess Heehs and his supporters would know how great Sri Aurobindo is considering all their support for Heehs and his attempts to defame him!

    "Isn't it conceivable that one's admiration for Sri Aurbindo might be increased knowing that he went through the suffering that most ordinary humans experience?"
    At least make an attempt to be honest. This is not a dispute about whether Heehs had potrayed Sri Aurobindo's suffering or not! This is the problem - you have this civilizational impulse to pull down someone that inspires you to your own levels to feel good about yourselves. Sri Aurobindo went through a lot of human suffering as he has himself mentioned but dont equate him with yourself or me just to please or inspire our plump egos. What Heehs has done is to make stupid misinterpretations and distortions to assure us that Sri Aurobindo was someone we could have enjoyed having a beer or a coffee with to discuss philosophy!!! And then gone home to tell our wives about this great guy we had just met!

    If this is what you find inspiring, you might as well get your heroes from Sidney Sheldon.

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  4. Anonymous said:

    "What Heehs has done is ... to assure us that Sri Aurobindo was someone we could have enjoyed having a beer or a coffee with to discuss philosophy!!! And then gone home to tell our wives about this great guy we had just met!"

    So? What's so bloody wrong and distorted about this image? It might not be your cup of tea or coffee, but who are you to order what people should or should not do???

    If you wish to place Sri Aurobindo on a pedestal and worship him twice a day and forget him for the rest of the day, especially when you write the rubbish that you do and when you behave in a most un-Aurobindonian manner, that's your business. Nobody's is dictating you to behave in this or that way.

    So what prevents you from minding your business and letting others mind theirs? Unless of course you are another of those self-opinionated persons that belong to the anti-Heehs camp who believe that they are the Truest and most Devoted disciples of Sri Aurobindo and everybody else is inferior. If that is so, go on with your ranting, ad infinitum, if it pleases you because whether you like it or not you are fighting a loosing battle!!!

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  5. "So? What's so bloody wrong and distorted about this image? It might not be your cup of tea or coffee, but who are you to order what people should or should not do??? "

    If you write a bloody book defaming the founder of the institution you work for and get succour from, you leave on your own if you have the decency or get kicked out if you dont. Plain and simple! This principle is applied all over the world!

    "So what prevents you from minding your business and letting others mind theirs? "

    Everyone minded their own business until your Guru wrote his book defaming Sri Aurobindo and insulting his closest disciples. And then his hooligan followers jumped in and started beating up the remaining ashramites who had dared to oppose Heehs book on your beloved websites! Now you want people to be quiet and not mind all that?!

    "Unless of course you are another of those self-opinionated persons that belong to the anti-Heehs camp who believe that they are the Truest and most Devoted disciples of Sri Aurobindo and everybody else is inferior."

    Not at all - you have your facts all distorted. It's the Heehsians who think they are superior intellectuals and that those who oppose the book are mindless fundamentalists.

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  6. Anonymous said:

    "If you write a bloody book defaming the founder..."

    Just because you do not like the author, his style or work, doesn't mean that he is defaming Sri Aurobindo. Several people find that Heehs' book portrays a very positive image of Sri Aurobindo. And moreover, just because one likes Heehs' book deosn't mean that one is a follower or fan of Heehs'. You certainly have a very limited view of things, which explains your ignorant behaviour and statements.

    But what's worse is that you go one step further and distort and misrepresent facts and even lie blatantly.

    For example you say:
    "Everyone minded their own business until your Guru wrote his book defaming Sri Aurobindo and insulting his closest disciples."

    For years, pseudo scholars and Gurus like Sraddhalu Ranade, Ananda Reddy, Kittu Reddy, RY Deshpande, Alok Pandey, etc., etc., have gone around mis-interpreting, misrepresenting and distorting Sri Aurobindo's image, vision and philosophy and nobody interfered with their personal agendas and business because it is not the nature of Sri Aurobindo's disciples to go around pointing fingers at others and poking their nose into the business of others, even though some of the people above who are members of the Ashram earned money from such activities, which is in violation of the rules of the Ashram.

    And then as soon as Heehs came out with a considerably different portrait of Sri Aurobindo, it is the same people above who never wanted to be questioned and who wanted others to mind their business who actually started the on-going slander campaign against Heehs. So who was and is minding his business and who is clearly not???

    And it is the anti-Heehs' camp that misappropriated the "thelivesofsriaurobindo.com" domain name and who launched a public slander campaign on the web together with their supporters on other websites "mirroroftomorrow.org", etc.

    If the pro-Heehs' camp and the Anti-"anti-Heehs" camp have started to speak out, it is because it is their duty to set the record straight in the face of the mountains of lies and distortions that the anti-Heehs' camp has been propagating all around the place.

    And now that the anti-Heehs camp has cornered itself within the confines of a courtroom and that its petty, narrow, personal and political objectives have been exposed, they are all of a sudden trying to pretend and behave as though they are the victims.

    But indeed, they are victims, but the victims of their own folly, ignorance and petty, personal agendas.

    So be it!!!

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  7. "Dr Raghu actually believes Sri Aurobindo succumbed to disease, kidney failure. If this is the impression he gathers from the book then it is totally wrong. Sri Aurobindo had complete control and mastery. Dr Raghu is only showing his ignorance by making such statements. He is not even a disciple."

    How uninformed! One does not need to go to Heehs' book to gather those well-documented facts. Take a look at Nirodaran's Twelve Years with Sri Aurobindo for an account of Aurobindo's last days.

    "Sri Aurobindo had complete control and mastery."

    "complete control and mastery" over what? Diseases or physical ailments? To commonsense and medical science, this claim which YOU are making is refuted by the well-known facts of ailments and circumstances of passing.

    Could he have chosen not to exercise his alleged "complete control and mastery" to cure himself? Conceivably, but then again the fact of his taking medical treatment and asking Nirod to "do something" when his breathing difficulties persisted and increased towards the end are problems for that view that he didn't want to cure himself.

    In any case, even if it is true that he had "complete mastery and control" and didn't want to exercise it to cure himself of potentially fatal ailments in his last days, all this is still consistent with the TRUTH that those physical ailments naturally brought about his passing! You need to take seriously Aurobindo's advice that yoga does not require you to abandon your commonsense!

    So what if someone is not a disciple of Aurobindo in your narrow-minded sense? And what has that got to do with the issue here?

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  8. And have you forgotten that if there is the Divine Will, it is always supreme?
    As a theistic yogi, Aurobindo would have surrendered to the Divine Will (One recalls Swami Ramatirtha struggling in his weakened physical condition against the currents of the mighty Ganga and reportedly saying something like "If this is the way I must go, let it be so" and going into a meditative state and allowing the currents of the Ganga to claim his body!) and if it was the Divine Will that he should pass away due to certain conditions of his body, he would have, like Ramatirtha, accepted it!
    So, to acknowledge the obvious truth of his passing due to his ailments may be the most rational way of looking at it even in terms of his yoga!

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