Monday, June 7, 2010

Dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousness or yogic cures

From D. Subbramaniam dsubbu.cmd@gmail.com to tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 7 June 2010 14:59  subject The Battle of the Deluded Doctors
Dear Mr. Tusar Mohapatra, 
Ever since I first commented on an attempt that was made by some people to give some importance to Mr. Nandhivarman's book The Failed Prophet, I have been silently following this discussion across several internet fora and have been witnessing since then the sad and pitiable state of affairs brought about by the group of what one may call the Deluded Doctors and their entourage from both and opposite camps as they try to battle it out in the public domain. 
For, who are these Doctors and how are they entitled to talk about Sri Aurobindo's Yogic Force or his experience of it? Do they even have the slightest inkling of the meaning of Yogic Force let alone experience it? 

Dr. Truth, Dr. Raghu and Dr.(?) Nandhivarman might very well be steeped in ignorance and blinded by their materialism and atheism. While they may try to cast aspersions or try to belittle Sri Aurobindo and his work, it is more than evident that they speak more out of envy or self-adulation because deep within they may well be aware that they are incapable of accomplishing even 1% (and this is being generous) of what Sri Aurobindo accomplished in the field of freedom fighting and nation building, literature, world thought and philosophy, etc... the list can go on. 

But the fact that they and maybe many others around the world do not consider Sri Aurobindo worthy of consideration is of no significance to those who find that Sri Aurobindo has something of extreme value to offer to the world and human civilization. There is room for all kinds of people in this world and that should not bother any of us. 
But what is a botheration for the larger community of followers of Sri Aurobindo's Yoga and path is the apparent appropriation of Sri Aurobindo's philosophy and ideas by what appears to be a handful of so-called devotees, and scholars who take equal pride in being called or considered "Doctors" or Scholars mostly from within the Sri Aurobindo Ashram establishment, who behave as though they are the only enlightened ones and the only ones who are entitled to talk about or interpret Sri Aurobindo, his life, work, philosophy, etc. 

For instance, are Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande and their entourage by any measure wiser or more enlightened when it comes to talking about Yogic Forces or Sri Aurobindo's spiritual work? With which authority or from which high pulpit can they pretend to condescendingly agree to engage in dialogue with the "non-believers" about consciousness or yogic cures? Moreover, have they become the self-appointed custodians of Sri Aurobindo and his work and do they run what they call the "supramental clinic"? 
That Doctors such as Dr. Alok Pandey, Dr. Deshpande and their entourage firstly pay any attention to people such as Dr. Raghu and secondly believe that they are the only and true custodians and protectors of Sri Aurobindo reveals that they are really deluded souls whose actions go a long way from serving any good to Sri Aurobindo, his cause, his work and the people who seriously wish to follow his Yoga and path. 

I would presume that those with the slightest inkling of the workings of yogic and supramental forces would not be wasting their time and dabbling with such matters, particularly on public fora. They certainly wouldn't be wearing their devotion on their sleeves and wouldn't entertain slogan-shouting matches. Moreover, they would mind their business and wouldn't be accusing the Sri Aurobindo Ashram establishment of a "nonsensical silence" when it chooses to ignore such trivial non-issues and rubbish.  
It therefore appears that all these doctors, from both sides, instead of refraining from talking or dealing with things (such as Yogic Forces, consciousness or Sri Aurobindo's experinece with these matters) that they know very little of, have fallen prey to their own political or personal aspirations which they need to demonstrate and publicize for their own good, and in the process they ignore the simple fact that their silence would have been their strongest advocate.  

But then of course comes the question of how would they be able draw attention to themselves on the one hand and on the other hand draw their guns and target their criticism on the management of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram establishment if they would obey a wise silence? 
This is clearly a dilemma that they appear to be unable to resolve as they prefer to live in the delusional world of pretending to fight their principled battles Don Quixote style either against or on behalf of Sri Aurobindo and his followers, while evidently and actually they are all merely trying to fulfill their own personal motives. Best Regards, D. Subbramaniam @ Subbu

7 comments:

  1. Mr. Subbu,

    What a fantastic message! Very important for the ashram community in the present moment...

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  2. D.Subbramaniam's rant discloses that he is not interested in any issues of evidence concerning Aurobindo's claims, but rather treats those claims in just the way the Christian and Islamic fundamentalists treat the claims in their so-called "holy scriptures". These claims, even if they contradict science and common-sense, are treated as self-evident and infallible.
    D.S. diverts the attention (this is the fallacy of red herring which elementary textbooks on critcial thinking warn us to avoid) from whether or not Aurobindo explained specified the nature of "yogic force", proffered documented and verifiable evidence for its existence, explained how one comes to wield this force, explained how this non-material force can be wielded to change physical conditions in the body and political conditions in the world and so on. He also fails to address critical issues of available evidence to the contrary, evidence from the life of Aurobindo himself (his terminal illness marked by prostate and kidney problems) and his close disciples (the early death of "Arjava" (aka J.A. Chadwick) pointing to a refutation of the efficacy of this "yogic force".
    Instead of addresssing these sensible and important issues, D.S. goes off on a tangent with a rant on the alleged politics of the individuals who have responded, even if inadequately, to the issues raised on the rationality of espousing a belief in "yogic force" and its efficacy in the 21st century without providing a shred of documented evidence and plausible explanations of its workings.
    The value of Aurobindo's contributions is a separate issue. One does not reject the professional work of some scientists in India simply because they have exhibited alarming credulity in succumbing to the cult of "Satya Sai Baba". One does not reject Newton's scientific greatness simply because he was also pursuing Biblical fundamentalism "research" in some of his notebooks. So, there is also no reason to reject any valuable contributions Aurobindo has made to the intellectual and political life in India simply because he entertained baseless beliefs in "yogic force", "hostile forces" and such.

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  3. "For, who are these Doctors and how are they entitled to talk about Sri Aurobindo's Yogic Force or his experience of it? Do they even have the slightest inkling of the meaning of Yogic Force let alone experience it?"

    Anyone with commonsense and basic critical thinking skills is entitled to question any claims made by anyone including God! Who are you and what gives you the authority to pontificate on who is entitled and who is not entitled to question claims on "yogic force"?
    You beg the question of the existence of this force. What is the evidence for it? Don't arrogantly assume that it exists and then equally arrograntly scoff at people who question its existence if you have nothing to contribute to the inquiry (Vichara) here!

    "It therefore appears that all these doctors, from both sides, instead of refraining from talking or dealing with things (such as Yogic Forces, consciousness or Sri Aurobindo's experinece with these matters) that they know very little of, have fallen prey to their own political or personal aspirations which they need to demonstrate and publicize for their own good, and in the process they ignore the simple fact that their silence would have been their strongest advocate."

    How much do YOU know about this "yogic force"? Tell us that first before trying to shut others up who are asking pertinent and pointed questions! Again, you go off on a tangent and divert attention from the substantive issues here and cast aspersions on the motives individuals who are raising questions or making replies. Even if the motives are what you self-righteously and disdainfully say they are, how does that show the questions or the Vichara into "yogic force" to be illegitimate, misguided, or futile?

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  4. Please do not take Dr Raagu's rant seriously. Clearly he has recently suffered a head injury and must have had learning disabilities since his childhood.

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  5. "Anonymous" must "clearly" belong to the vicious old school of Soviet KGB. They sent dissidents and those who questioned Bolshevik dogmas to psychiatric wards on the grounds that only those who suffered "head injuries" in some or other would question the sacred dogmas of Bolshevism.
    I am glad to see that "Pisachic" (ghoulish) types (The "Asuric" types at least have intelligence. That's a quality "anonymous" can only dream of possessing.)such as "anonymous" are represented in the Ashram community.

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  6. "Anonymous" must "clearly" belong to the vicious old school of Soviet KGB. They sent dissidents and those who questioned Bolshevik dogmas to psychiatric wards on the grounds that only those who suffered "head injuries" in some form or other would question the sacred dogmas of Bolshevism.
    I am glad to see that "Pisachic" (ghoulish) types (The "Asuric" types at least have intelligence. That's a quality "anonymous" can only dream of possessing.)such as "anonymous" are represented in the Ashram community.

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  7. I must hasten to clarify that I was using "Pisachic" and "Asuric" in the sense pertaining to psychological types or types of character and NOT in the sense of actually existing supernatural beings. They are spooky, but interesting, creations of the fertile Indian religious imagination which often, because of that fertility, fails to distinguish between its products and reality!

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