Tuesday, January 27, 2009

The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people

Opinion - News Analysis Importance of liberty & democracy in India
Markandey Katju The Hindu: Monday, Jan 26, 2009

As early as 1927, Justice Louis D. Brandeis, of the U.S. Supreme Court observed in Whitney vs. California 274 U.S. 357: “Those who won our independence believed that the final end of the State was to make men free to develop their faculties; and that in its government the deliberative forces should prevail over the arbitrary…They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty; and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government. They recognised the risks to which all human institutions are subject. But they knew that order cannot be secured merely through fear of punishment for its infraction; that it is hazardous to discourage thought, hope and imagination; that fear breeds repression; that repression breeds hate; that hate menaces stable government; that the path of safety lies in the opportunity to discuss freely supposed grievances and proposed remedies; and that the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones. Believing in the power of reason as applied through public discussion, they eschewed silence coerced by law — the argument of force in its worst form.”

In 1949, Justice William O. Douglas in Terminiello vs. Chicago (337 US 1) made a crucial point when he noted that a “function of free speech under our system of government is to invite dispute. It may indeed best serve its high purpose when it induces a condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or even stirs people to anger.” (Justice Markandey Katju is a Judge of the Supreme Court of India.)

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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -Edmund Burke

Wednesday, January 21, 2009

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Monday, January 19, 2009

Thus I fell in a big whirlpool of good and unpleasant facts about Vivekananda

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SEARCHING FOR FACTS
'NOW, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothingbut Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else,and root out everything else. You can only form the minds ofreasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of anyservice to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my ownchildren, and this is the principle on which I bring up thesechildren. Stick to Facts, sir!' -- CHARLES DICKENS

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#080, REPLIES TO COMMENTS (Rajesh)
Rajesh said... Hi yb,I saw ur blogs on vivekananda. I want to express my thoughts on it (if u feel i am wrong, plz forgive me). Observing from ur commnts on SV, i feel that you have got really hurt badly from something SV has said or done, which u have felt absolute mistake or nonsense. I want to know that one thing which has made u frustrated? as i am also not a big fan of SV..September 26, 2007 5:08 AM

multisubj yb said... Dear Shri Rajesh garu: 1. I have not been hurt by anything which Vivekananda has said or done. There is no frustration at all. I am a history student (Did M.A. History). Hence I have to search for truth as a historian. There is no place for "Raaga Dveesha".

2. In 1967 when I was just 17 I read the Telugu biography of Swami Vivekananda by Swami Chirantananda published by Ramakrishna Math, Chennai. Chirantananda was a disciple of Vivekananda. I read it several times. It influenced me greatly. I was trying to practise what he preached. I also purchased many books published by Ramakrishna Math. In my own way, I served the poor. While reading his biography I got a doubt why he was always talking to some native ruler or other (Alwar, Jeypore, Khetri, Junagadh, Mysore, Travancore, Lumdi etc.). At that time I was very young. I did not take it seriously to pursue.

3. Around 1995, there was a Supreme Court case in which the Ramakrishna Mission claimed that theirs was an independent Ramakrishna Religion, entitled to the protection of a minority religion, whereas Vivekananda spent his entire life striving to protect the Hindu religion from the hurricanes of conversions by Christian missionaries.

When I started blogging a blogspot, first I did not have intention to write blogs on Vivekananda. One day when I was searching for Vivekananda's views on renunciation and detachment, particularly living on "madhukari (alms collected from house to house) while doing my blog on Bhartruhari Vairagya S`atakam (URL link you can see above), I found that at Blogspot itself there were around 9000 blogs eulogising Vivekananda, most of them repeating his quotations parrot-like. I thought that it would be prudent for me to search for truth as a history student. Fortunately, the Complete Works of Vivekananda are available on line aplenty. I was attracted by the word "epistle". I went to dictionary.com and found meaning "letter". Thus I started with letters written by Vivekananda to others. At some places, portions were found to be excised (deleted/censored/removed). I found myself handicapped. Besides, the letters written by others to Vivekananda are not available. Then only we can draw a complete picture. Thus I fell in a big whirlpool of good and unpleasant facts about Vivekananda. Now, I am struggling to come out. Recently I started another blog about Ramakrishna paramahamsa: http://ramakrishnayb.blogspot.com to verify what things were.

There is always a difference between what Maths and Sects publish and sell as propaganda books and what the founders of the Sects practice. But we must always keep one thing in mind. We can never find a perfect white or a perfect black shades of personalities. There is also a "gray". Just as we cannot find a 100% satva man or a 100% rajasa man or a 100% tamasa man. Everybody is a combination of percentages. In complex fertilisers we have percentages of NPK (Nitrogen, PHosphoras and POtassium) such 17-17-17 or 34-17-17 etc. Including you, me, Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa everbody has percentages of Satva, Rajas and Tamas.

Gist: I am not hurt by Vivekananda, Belur Math or anybody else. There are just obstructions whenever efforts are made to find truth. I request you to read my blog RAMAYANAYB.BLOGSPOT.COM or MAHABHAGAVATAYB.BLOGSPOT.COM. They will show you whenever we go deeply into a subject, we find more and more unpleasant things. Then the question will arise. Should we bring them to the notice of the readers are not. If we report, readers will misunderstand us. If we do not report, we shall be doing injustice to our conscience. This is a dilemma which I face everyday. I hope I have not harangued or sufficiently bored you. I apologise if I have indulged in didactics. Posted by Multisubj Yb TruthSeeker at 5:23 AM 2
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Sunday, January 18, 2009

Exagerated depictions of Vivekananda's spiritual and intellectual attainments

Hyperbole in Wilber from Gaia Community: kelamuni's Blog

I have at times referred to Kenny's use of hyperbole when referring to other individuals or their teachings. I take it that Kenny has picked up this particular rhetorical modality from the materials he uses, and that these materials in turn derive their attitude from tradition itself which has set certain precedents. In other words, my sense is that this curious penchant for hyperbole derives, at least in part, from tradition itself, specifically from the attitiude toward the "great sage" or "holy sant" that we find in traditional hagiographical materials.

We find, for example, in Sankara Dig Vijaya, loosely, Shankara Conquers the World, several depictions of Shankara that approach the hyperbolic. There we find the suggestion that Shankara went about India, defeating everyone he met in debate and virtually converting the entire subcontinent to Vedanta. It is story that is repeated often. But this idea is a 14th century construct. For it is evident that Shankara was not well known in his day and even in the centuries that followed, since we find no mention of him in the works of other major scholars and philosophers. There is every indication that his teaching was meant only for the few qualified wandering samnyasins he encounted in the countryside. The Vedanta itself was an esoteric teaching, as is evident from the fact that the Brahma Sutras themselves make no sense without their commentarial tradition.

The idea, found in popular contemporary scholarly material, that Shankara was India's "greatest philosopher" is largely based upon this hagiographical tradition, and on the fact that Advaita Vedanta is the last of the classical Indian traditions to survive and that most of the writers of this material are Vedantins. Even the idea that Shankara is India's "greatest philosopher" is not entirely accurate. For one, Shankara was primarily an exegete and not a philosopher.

We find similar a exageration involved in the depictions of Nagarjuna, whom Kalupahana has argued was also primarily an exegete. According to Mahayana tradition Nagarjuna is accorded the status of almost a "second Buddha." Murti goes so far as to say that Nagarjuna's teaching offered a "corrective" to that of the Buddha. In his introduction to his translation of the Karikas, Kennneth Inada states that Nagarjuna's veneration, "at times reached such ridiculous heights that his name was sanctified and stamped everywhere with reckless abandon..."

We find hyperbolic estimations of the philosophical importance of Shankara, Nagarjuna and Plotinus throughout the works of Wilber. Not only hyperbole, but inaccuracies.

As for Plotinus, Ken does not appear to be aware of the fact that Plotinus' "great philosophical work," the Enneads, was in fact a collection of notes cobbled together and scribbled down by his closest disciple, Porphyry, to be used by his own students. In this sense, Porphyry, and not Plotinus, is the real "founder" of the school of Neo-Platonism. The irony here is that Wilber says that Plotinus was the "greatest pundit ever." Presumably, it is "book-learning" that characterizes the pundit. But Plotinus never wrote the Enneads.

And what of Shankara? At times Wilber says that Shankara was a "sage," or "India's greatest realizer." And yet, unlike Plotinus, Shankara is best known for his various written commentaries on the Upanishads, and he even referred to himself as a pandita.

What is also odd about the exaggerated claims Ken attaches to certain individuals from history is that they so often do not appear to involve any consideration of other great luminaries. Where, for example, do we find a similar consideration of Abhinavagupta in Ken's works? Or the master, Shri Harsha? Like Da's collection of "seventh stage texts" (where is the Vimalakirtinirdesha Sutra?), Ken bases his judgements upon his own limited encounter with dated translations of Asian texts -- basically those that were available to him in the 70's.

I will close with one other precedent, a modern one -- that of Swami Vivekananda. Throughout his various "biographies," which are better labeled hagiographies, we find several exagerated depictions of Vivekananda's spiritual and intellectual attainments. For example, we read in such accounts that Vivekananda was a "multi-faceted genius." According to one account, The Life of Swami Vivekananda, by his Disciples Eastern and Western, the principal of the college Vivekananda attended, William Hastie, had said that Vivekananda (then called Naren) was "a genius" and that "he never saw such a one even among philosophy students in German univeristies!" And yet, we also find out from R. Chattopadhyaya's book, Swami Vivekananda in India: A Corrective Biography that the following were Vivekananda's grades during his graduating year of college: English 56% Mathematics 61% History 56% Philosophy 45%

These, it goes without saying, are hardly the grades of a "multifacted genius." Chattopadhyaya opines that this anecdote was probably concocted by Haramohan Mitra and disseminated via his many pamphlets.

My sense is that it is precisely this same sort of hyperbole that is at work in Ken's own estimation of the work and stature of certain of other personages. [> ** A legacy denied by GlobalCitizen]

Saturday, January 17, 2009

What he makes possible

Thursday, January 15, 2009 [www.keralites.net] Sri Aurobindo on "Man"

"Man's greatness is not in what he is but in what he makes possible. His glory is that he is the closed place and secret workshop of a living labour in which supermanhood is being made ready by a divine Craftsman. But he is admitted to a yet greater greatness and it is this that, unlike the lower creation, he is allowed to be partly the conscious artisan of his divine change. His free ascent, his consecrated will and participation are needed that into his body may descend the glory that will replace him. His aspiration is earth's call to the supramental Creator." CWSA, Vol. 12, p. 160.

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Friday, January 16, 2009

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The Genesis of a Controversy
by Angiras on Thu 15 Jan 2009 05:29 AM PST Permanent Link

Upon inquiry, it is found that from the beginning of Heehs’s writing career – that is, for the past twenty years – he has voluntarily given all his earnings from books, magazine articles, speeches, etc. to the Ashram Trust, minus a small percentage to cover his expenses. In the case of books consisting primarily of extracts from Sri Aurobindo’s works, 100% of the royalties go directly to the Trust without passing through Heehs’s hands. He has always repaid the Archives for any xeroxes, printouts etc. that he has made using Archives equipment. He has sometimes asked his colleagues for help in the composition of books. The fees for this work went directly to the Ashram Trust without passing through Heehs’s hands. The persons concerned understood this very well. [...]

Twenty-seven volumes of THE COMPLETE WORKS OF SRI AUROBINDO have been finished (including two in the press) and work on most of the remaining volumes is at an advanced stage. This work has involved the meticulous reading of many thousands of pages of manuscripts and early editions of Sri Aurobindo’s works. The original estimate of when it would be completed was clearly unrealistic, but it does not sound as if the project has been “languishing.” It is surprising that members of the Archives would make such an allegation when they surely know how long this work takes. No other department of the Ashram has ever taken up such a huge and demanding project. It is a team effort and if there is a “delay,” no one person can be held responsible. At any rate, R&R seem to have done hardly a fraction of the work that Heehs has done.

The logic of expelling one of the chief editors in order to speed up the process is baffling. According to reliable sources, it is since the expulsion of Peter Heehs that the work is indeed languishing, as this has deprived the Archives of an essential member with unique and irreplaceable expertise gained through thirty-five years of experience going back to the founding of the department. Heehs wrote articles and books in his spare time, but never neglected his work at the Archives. He has spent less time attending conferences, etc., than the writers of most of the letters in this section. [...]

Heehs says that he has never considered writing a book on the Mother (much less would he write one in order to pull her “down... to a low level”). [...]

The allegation of “commercial use” is false. In any case, new rules restricting access to such materials (not only “to him” but in general) have been adopted by the Archives in the last few months. This has been one of the few constructive outcomes of the present controversy. Science, Culture and Integral Yoga

Monday, January 12, 2009

Redemption came in the form of the most beautiful piece of landscaping I’ve ever encountered

Monday, January 5, 2009 A Saviour, a Miracle and a Little Science Fiction: Christmas in India (part two) by Chris

Auroville is an intentional community just outside the city. It’s based of the teachings of Sri Aurobindo (from my brief research a weighty and thoughtful Indian freedom fighter turned yogi from the early 20th century). The vision for the community is a place where human unity can be experienced; a new vision for living together with spiritual values as the premise. The community purchased about 20 square kilometers in the 60’s and have developed a global village that today consists of over 2000 people from some 40 countries. Passing by the bungalows, I tried to shoo away the rumors I’d heard of it being a refuge for criminals on the lam. I believe that everything deserves a fair shot from the beginning.

Our highly mechanized entry (including pre-registration through a contact days before and a secure checklist) led us to a viewing room for the official Auroville video. It glossed all the good stuff, human unity, responsibility and freedom, utopia stuff. It skipped all the grime of community, but I couldn’t blame them for that, hoping I might get it later on in the tour. From there we got in some electric people transport (which my friend related to the jeeps in Jurassic Park [fairly I might add]) to the center of the premises: Matrimandir. The massive golden orb raised out of the manicured garden like Epcot Center in Orlando.

I dropped off my bag, camera and phone at the coat check and listened to a kind Frenchman explain to us all about Matrimandir. It’s here that it all started to get a little more interesting for me. At Aurobindo’s passing, a woman (who later became known as The Mother) got hold of the band of devotees and took the ideas forward for the next 25 years. She held onto some of the teacher’s principles, but also took a hectic turn by introducing a good dose of her “visions” into the philosophy of the place. She dreamt up the massive golden orb (some 7 to 8 stories high) and its entire inside design, which included long indoor waterfalls, tricked out blue and red lighting, circling staircases and a meditation room centered around a huge crystal ball.

My friend said as we walked into the orb “This all just went a little Star Trek on us.” I agreed, It looked like we had just jumped onto the set of TRON. When I heard that one of the six main reasons for creating Auroville was to hasten the arrival of a more highly refined species to earth, I decided to cut my losses and try to focus on what positives could be taken from the place, even if the philosophy seemed to go crack.

Redemption came in the form of the most beautiful piece of landscaping I’ve ever encountered. An epic Banyan tree, carefully manicured to create a most spectacular grove. As a Banyan tree grows, it rains down rootlike vines from its branches which grow into the ground and serve as new sources for nutrients. Typically, this process takes over and the tree grows in a spectacularly untamed jungle of tree. But in this case, the gardeners had pruned these bundled vines, keeping only one each at various points on the tree. These once-thin vines had now grown into the size of tree trunks and supported the extremely long branches of the tree that now stretched horizontally from the main tree trunk up to 50 or 60 feet. With careful attention, this tree could continue to grow in such a manor for hundreds if not thousands of more years.

Ah! A Christmas Tree for the Ages. Sweet redemption and definitely a signal to bounce. Leaving the compound, I laughed to myself. Is this where I really spent my Christmas morning? I thought about the hundred times my family used to think about going to watch the re-enactment of Washington crossing the Delaware on Christmas and always turning it down, placing priorities on food, family and chilling with our new gifts. Ha! I never imagined my first big Christmas Day outing could be this! ... Posted by Chris at 10:01 AM

Thursday, January 8, 2009

Very few Indians know Sri Aurobindo though perhaps large masses revere him

Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Future of Humanity—a Comment
by Tusar N. Mohapatra on Wed 07 Jan 2009 10:29 AM IST Profile Permanent Link

"Melding of East and West" happens in 1933 or thereabout when Sri Aurobindo’s Symbol is heralded. The genealogy of the Symbol and The Mother’s birth are matters which we ordinarily keep away from on various grounds such as religious provincialism, misplaced nationalism, and anti-colonial sentiments. Such parochialism, unfortunately, is a disservice to the very task to which we have been called upon.

The primacy of The Mother in our path is not unknown, but the Judeo-Vedic pact that she accomplishes has not received due attention. The “Third dream” consists of carrying the message and means of this pact back to its home, to the “Mediterranean” as it were. [TNM] Reply

Re: Sri Aurobindo and the Future of Humanity—a Comment
by RY Deshpande on Wed 07 Jan 2009 03:25 PM IST Profile Permanent Link

Superb. It will be wonderful if it can be fully expounded for the Mirror. An insightful article for posting is welcome.

But seeing from another point of view we can perhaps say that this started happening long long ago, long before 1933. We might mark the coming of an Avatar on a particular day or date, but he prepares his birth much much before that. The Age starts appearing at least a couple of centuries earlier. There is always an extended preparation for the "divine Event" to occur. And yet we are not aware of it. But let us have a detailed presentation. ~ RYD Reply

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Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by RY Deshpande on Sun 04 Jan 2009 12:00 PM IST Profile Permanent Link

“This work seems like the equivalent of reducing Napoleon from a great general to a figure of ambivalence and doubt.”—I must say you have put it very beautifully. But the basic question remains: If the foundational principle of the Integral Yoga is "aspiration-rejection-surrender" and if it is anathematic to the Westerners, rather to the Americans, then are they to be ruled out from it? Perhaps this is the fundamental question to be looked into and tackled in its proper context and depth. ~ RYD Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by RY Deshpande on Sun 04 Jan 2009 12:27 PM IST Profile Permanent Link

There is also the counter-question, of the tradition-bound Indian society. It is emphatically happy about the past and doesn't see the new spiritual avenues that have been opened out for it. Surely it is not fundamentalism, but it is definitely kind of tamasic, refusing to change. Very few Indians know Sri Aurobindo though perhaps large masses revere him. So the problem is here also. The principle "aspiration-rejection-surrender" is easily acceptable but in the sense of the tradition, not in the Aurobindonian spirit. RYD Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by Tusar N. Mohapatra on Sun 04 Jan 2009 07:18 PM IST Profile Permanent Link

Extremely important issues indeed, though this is not the right time to say something objectively without antagonizing one section or the other. But the willingness to discuss the sociological dimensions of opting for a life of spiritual quest is by itself a welcome feature. For, a plethora of interconnected concerns cry for attention but in vain.

Modern research in humanities has brought out multiple layers of inter-disciplinary insights, to lose sight of which is nothing short of suicidal. The ability and the courage to look at these challenges on their face is an added facet of yoga today as partaking of a communicative action while remaining alert to media decoding the market as well as technology.

East and West meld here, in the common future, in seeking a common sublime destiny. Proprietorial attitudes need a modification therefore, and let multiple interpretations and receptions emerge. [TNM] Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by RY Deshpande on Mon 05 Jan 2009 05:20 PM IST Profile Permanent Link

Very well worded,—with dignity and depth, professionally tight yet with forceful inspiration behind it. ~ RYD Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Melding of East and West
by RY Deshpande on Tue 06 Jan 2009 07:23 PM IST Profile Permanent Link Dear Tusar

"Melding of East and West"--May I request you to write a full length article on this important theme "in seeking a common sublime destiny"? I'll be extremely happy to have it for posting at the Mirror. Thanks. ~ RYD Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by Vikas on Tue 06 Jan 2009 01:09 AM IST Profile Permanent Link

"The principle "aspiration-rejection-surrender" is easily acceptable but in the sense of the tradition, not in the Aurobindonian spirit." Please elucidate Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by auroman on Tue 06 Jan 2009 07:10 AM IST Profile Permanent Link

A historian relies only on primary-source documents and nothing else to analyze the surface life of a Mahayogi who has specifically said his action was exclusively on the inner planes. Can anyone see the fallacy in the approach ? This book is not Aurobindonian but Ozymandian in nature! More on the aspiration, rejection, surrender aspect in a few days. Reply

Re: In Defence of the “Extracts from The Lives of Sri Aurobindo by Peter Heehs”—Raman Reddy
by Vikas on Tue 06 Jan 2009 09:48 AM IST Profile Permanent Link
"A historian relies only on primary-source documents and nothing else to analyze the surface life of a Mahayogi who has specifically said his action was exclusively on the inner planes. Can anyone see the fallacy in the approach ?" Inspired. Terse and complete sans hair-splitting intellectual arguments. Reply