Monday, June 22, 2009

All those who object to Heehs' book are free to publish their own interpretative works

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Alok never wanted a court case against Peter":

There is a very simple solution to this controversy. Man has fought for thousands of years to gain the right to express his individual views free from compulsion. All those who object to Heehs' book are, fortunately, now equally free to publish their own interpretative works should they find the energy and self-discipline to do so in order that the lay reader may have a fuller choice as to what to believe. Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Open Forum at 1:48 PM, June 22, 2009

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Debabrata Ghosh has left a new comment on your post "When someone is discussing things spiritual, we ar...": Respected Sri Chaki,

There is one very important thing we must ponder over and should realise. From the last phase of the Mother's human life-there has been a sea-change in several matters which is not apparently visible and which could not be proved through mind with its accustomed instruments viz.reason and traditional way of understanding a reality. It's very difficult to explain or tell that the hell with all its nasty mire has come up and touched everything of our life. The most predominant aspects of human life has naturally been deeply affected. They are politics, money and sexual impulsion. These three have become horribly acute in man today. If one is not completely dedicated to the Mother in his/her active sadhana-then these forces can make unimaginable nuisance.

That was my point-on which I differed from Tusar-babu-whom I love much as doer of the Mother's work. I apprehended that if this association with politics-through any person, party and organisation were allowed -the Savitri-Era forum which Tusarbabu has built with so much sincerity and labour and which is still the main platform of the devotees of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother -might be affected one day adversely-in such ways -still unknown to all of us. We are not aware how cunning, clever and powerful are these forces.We have access to immense power within us-i.e. the Mother's power provided we stick to her only unconditionally- oblivious of our separate personal status of doing something-she will be given the opportunity to correct everything. I have only one question-Do we believe it?

This is all I hold on as my conviction. I am unable to offer any logic further. So it's futile to discuss in such matter so far this concerns me. Devabrata Posted by Debabrata Ghosh to Savitri Era Open Forum at 9:50 AM, July 27, 2008 [7:36 AM]

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Tusar Mohapatra on Aspiration Posted by Debabrata Ghosh on September 9, 2008 at 12:04 pm View Discussions What hurts me is Tusar Babu's remarks on Sri Chaki's community. This is not expected from a man who is doing 'Mother's work'. Please let us not put our step in muds...

Replies to This Discussion Permalink Reply by Barindranath Chaki Hello Sri Devabrata Ghosh, I have gone through what Tusar Mohapatra has written and what Sri Ghosh has written in the discussion. First of all, I am thanking you for letting us know what Tusar has written and for praying before the Divine for mending my thoughts...
The Mother has told that the Their Yoga and Teaching is not a Religion and that religion is a thing of the Past. What right has anybody on earth there to name Their Teaching to be a new Religion, when They say that this is not a Religion? ...

Similarly, The Mother asked the Yogi to be away from politics. If one is mistaken if one says that Sri Aurobindo started his practical life in India with politics and he did politics along with Yoga and He did Yoga in the Jail, hence one should do politics with Yoga or politics as Yoga. Any Tom, Dick or Harry cannot be equal to Sri Aurobindo. Anybody cannot swallow poison and remain immortal like Shiva. Everybody cannot create a Gita while in the battlefield...
Mamata Dash has asked a deep question : Who knows? May be he or she has got some order , may be some thing in his or her being should be resolved , which he had not resolved in the past birth. who knows?

Maybe some follower of Sri Aurobindo may have received some order to bring a political change in India. For that one has to be a Fire, a Whirlwind, and not a mud-slinger. One has to take the people with oneself. If the Force is there, the people will automatically follow him and be with him. One need not start mud-slinging...
Indeed, I am in search one who has such a Force in him or her, behind and above him or her. Indeed, I am in search of some such persons who can rebuild the nation and the World.
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If some persons have idea that by creating a new religion or by giving the name of a religion to the Teaching of Sri Aurobindo or by forming a political party in His name, and by criticizing the Ashram or Auroville, one is serving The Mother and Sri Aurobindo, then it is their belief and their way of living. I am least concerned about. I am not going to start campaign against them.
Only, one should be sure of oneself. One should ask: Am I really called by the Divine to this? Have I truly received Her Order for this? Am I really obeying the Divine Force, or acting for the Force of the Asura? Or even, am I opposing the Divine Force? ...

Aspiration aims at aspiring for the Divine, calling the Divine. It does not believe in mud-slinging, I say repeatedly. Some one may criticize, but I cannot stoop low and start criticizing him. One should not start finding loopholes in others’ constructions. And it is not mine alone, it belongs to a group who are its members — who aspire, truly. Barindranath Chaki 9-9-2008

Permalink Reply by Debabrata Ghosh the very basic attitude should be to be under true humility while commenting on others. I am sad that Sri Mohapatra thinks that others should accept what he thinks and believes. I fully agree with you and also want that a leader or a party endowed with shakti should evolve to change the face of this suffering nation and the world. But we should not think that we must try to create them. It's simply foolish.

I wonder why some people forget the words of the Mother while founding Auroville that it should not turn to be a religion in future. However -as we have not been given the power to clear off the evils from this world - so also we can not seek to change the mind of Sri Mohapatra. We have not been given sanction for it by the Divine. Till then we should pray and maintain goodwill. Devabrata --Posted to Savitri Era Open Forum on 9/10/2008 10:52:00 AM

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Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Judgement of The Mother": "Savitri Era Party demands independence of Aurovill...":

It is sad, Mr. Tusar, that though you claim to be some sort of Sri Aurobindo devotee - notwithstanding your coming up with such pathetically shallow and immature notions such as 'Savitri Era Party' - you are now associated and being felicitated by Mr. Nandhivarman, who is part of the pseudo-rationalist tribe, and a known mud-slinger at the Ashram, and at the Mother and Sri Aurobindo themselves, and who does it purely for base political gains.

The Internet is a powerful tool, but in the hands of the ignorant, such as yourselves, and the perverse, such as Mr. Nandivarman, it is easily misused. The 2 of you provide excellent examples of this. Hopefully, your readers will have the discernment to separate the chaff from the wheat - though the wheat is so rare to come by!

A piece of advice to you, to other Aurobindonians, and to myself: Discover the Divine within; the changes outside will follow. The less we encourage this mental and vital fret, the better for our collective growth and progress. For till we don't find Her within, our shrill cries from either bank of the river of phenomenal reality are equally foolish.

As to your occasional unsolicited comments and advice such as how Auroville should be autonomous, and how the Ashram should be better managed, refer once again to the above para. If you still feel the overwhelming urge to 'act' however, get down from your fibre-optic tower and see the deeper ground Reality of things.

It is my conviction - and I am hardly alone - that the Ashram and Auroville are shaping up beautifully, in the hands of individuals who are committed and dedicated even if imperfect, and who work more than they talk, and talk even less than they type. Of course there are wayward individuals everywhere, and all organisations have their share of them too, but the Hand that has guided so far, continues to guide, and slowly, ever so slowly but surely, those who have the eyes to see recognize that these centres of the Divine's concrete Presence and Work, grow onward towards the Light.

It is pointless to reply to your friend Mr. Nandhivarman; his motives are in question. The greater tragedy is when professed devotees like yourself are pulled into their devious game, and do not have the wisdom to realise that our only work is within ourselves, and our only genuine concern the kingdom within ourselves. May we grow wide, as the Vedas say. V

P.S.: If you tell us that you are indeed conscious of that deeper reality within yourself, and that you are truly inwardly realised and convinced that it is necessary to set up 'systems', create a 'Savitri Era Party', 'save' the Aurobindonian community from impending doom and destruction wrecked by the wretched administrators you seem to conjure - well, sound the bugle, and perhaps we shall be inspired to join you. But at present you hardly come across as one who has the Knowledge or the Call.

I can imagine there is much which can be changed for the better, in Auroville, in the Ashram, in India, in the world; but where does that change begin? Nay, Their workings are far more complex, intricate, and mysterious, and "One man's perfection still can save the world…" Post a comment. Posted by Anonymous to BABUL'S WORLD at 09 July 2008 14:00

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Rare video clips from Darshan Days celebrated in ...": Hello Sir,

Thanks for the Darshan day clip. You are at valuable service to THEE...

With loving regards, Hemang Vyas Mumbai. Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Religious Fraternity at 2:38 PM, June 22, 2009

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