Monday, February 9, 2009

It is a sheer case of indiscipline by Heehs

Re: Hail to Angiras—by Raman Reddy Mirror of Tomorrow
by Raman Reddy on Sun 08 Feb 2009 10:09 PM IST Profile Permanent Link
Dear Ned, Sorry for the delayed reply.

I meant "strong action has been eschewed" by the authorities of the Ashram. The cases have been filed by devotees outside of the Ashram and in Orissa. In any case, I can understand your confusion because the matter is being obfuscated by SCIY forum into issues of "freedom of speech", "religious fundamentalism", etc when it is a sheer case of indiscipline by Heehs. It is more a practical problem than a theoritical one. Raman Reply

by auroman on Mon 09 Feb 2009 06:38 AM IST Profile Permanent Link

I have been trying to understand how "freedom of speech" got mixed up into all this. Freedom of speech is basically indulgence in the outer untamed nature. It is a right granted by modern nation-states to mostly unrefined people who desire to live, eat and talk as much as they want. In case of Yoga, the spiritual principle to apply is "aspiration, rejection and surrender". All expression must occur out of realization, reticence, self-abnegation and awakening of wisdom. One actively aspires to become part of the Guru's consciousness and the end-result is what is known as Gurumaya Avastha (become like the Guru)

Some of these intellectual theorists are like fence-sitters. They enjoy philosophical discussion about planes of consciousness but they will not surrender their ego & intellect to the Divine and they will not bow their head before the Guru. The result is that they cause mayhem by accusing others of fundamentalism. Their over-educated intellect, much like Don Quixote tilting at the wind-mills, creates an elaborate theory (defined using lots of BIG words!) which downgrades the Guru-disciple system as an example of a dangerous authoritarian "Hierarchical system". Reply

Re: Larger Issues of "The Lives of Sri Aurobindo" Controversy Kepler Sun 08 Feb 2009 03:39 PM PST

Enforcing first amendment political rights of free speech etc., as defined in the US constitution, is not the categorical imperative of an Ashram; growth of spiritual consciousness and experience is.

In Indian yoga, isn't it common to recognize the immanence of the Divine (personally or impersonally) in all beings? The realized Guru is hoped to have achieved conscious union with the Divine in some manner, so that the disciple can approach and contact the Divine through the Guru. The Avatar is an even fuller manifestation of divinity in human form. One might consider such things delusional rubbish, but I'm not aware that Integral Yoga contradicts them. There need be no equation between darshans, external adoration of the Guru, and religion. Part three of The Synthesis of Yoga - “The Yoga of Divine Love” might provide some additional context. Science, Culture and Integral Yoga

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