Thank you RY for putting everything together. It is easy to be a skeptic and a atheist. It is easy not to believe in God. It needs strength and courage to try to sincerely investigate it. It is childish to go only by the visible. Even a child can say God does not exist because its not visible. If we have the courage then we have to investigate the spiritual practices only then will we be able to appreciate the value of a Guru and his achievement. If we cannot understand the invisible and forces above the mind and senses then spirituality is not the subject we have to comment upon.
A seeker goes from the visible to the invisible on the guidance of the Guru and his experience in those realms. It is foolish not to have faith in one's guru teachings once accepted. Results will come in time till then one has to go by faith in Guru's words. We have to experiment and then verify the spiritual experience and guru words if we have the courage otherwise leave this matter alone for others to deal with. We are here to discover the invisible. Everybody knows about things visible no one needs to remind us about it and its often commonplace jargon.
Reply by RY Deshpande on Thu 18 Sep 2008 05:13 PM PDT Profile Permanent Link
Thanks Rakesh for your encouraging response. The failure of the rational mind to understand spirituality is patently known, nor should spirituality be imposed upon it. If it opens to it, it can be a wonderful instrument of expression and can attain great intuitive heights. The visible is such a small part of the whole thing that it looks almost insignificant and trivial in comparison with the possibilities of the spirit. The strange belief in the minds of these rational people is, only those who have no brains or intellect go to gurus! Isn’t that funny and queer? We are told to go by the visible works of Sri Aurobindo, but even of that how much do we really understand and grasp, and how much of it we implement in life? Very little. ~ RYD
Reply by ned on Thu 18 Sep 2008 06:36 PM PDT Profile Permanent Link
Regarding this quote: "it is a contradiction (not simply a paradox) to hold on to the forms and ceremonies of past ages that externalizes the Guru for adoration"
But (I can't remember the exact quote, will have to dig it out) Sri Aurobindo said that the guruvada is a valid tradition which only people living in the mental or vital mind reject. We have to understand that compared to sages like Sri Aurobindo the vast majority of us are the equivalent of kindergarteners and it makes no sense for us to be arrogant and reject their guidance just as it makes no sense for kindergarteners to question the findings of philosophy and science until they have reached a certain level of maturity. Of course plenty of gurus are charlatans, and one ought to have the good sense to test the guru before surrendering to him or her.
Reply by RY Deshpande on Fri 19 Sep 2008 05:17 AM PDT Profile Permanent Link
Thanks Ned. Very perceptive observation. I'm glad you brought the topic of Guruvad here. Sri Aurobindo has written to Dilip Roy extensively about it and I shall be shortly putting those extracts to begin a new and fruitful thread. Respect to Gurus or spiritual teachers is a valid tradition not only in India but through the entire spiritual history and has a deep occult connotation. We have in any number of Upanishads the disciples approaching the Rishi in great reverence. In fact the very word 'Upanishad' conveys also the sense of at the feet of the seer-teacher. RYD
Reply Re: The Lives of Sri Aurobindo--About Guruvada by RY Deshpande on Fri 19 Sep 2008 07:17 AM PDT Profile Permanent Link
[In response to Ned’s significant mention of Guruvada and related matters, here are some letters from Sri Aurobindo addressed essentially to Dilip Kumar Roy; these are taken from Letters on Yoga. ~ RYD]